Fresno Nightcrawlers

Mysterious, enigmatic, cute. Tumblr and Etsy love the Fresno Nightcrawlers...but what are they really? Amazingly we have some evidence to investigate in this one, but what will we uncover in this Californian cryptid case?

Join Linz and Chris as they squint their eyes at CCTV footage to determine if these really are some creepy creatures or just some aggressive walking pants.  The truth is out there (literally).

Transcript

00:00:01.49
Linz
Hi everyone and welcome to Dystopian Simulation Radio. I'm your host, Linz.

00:00:06.78
Christopher Santos
And I'm your D-O-double-G Chris.

00:00:10.06
Linz
Okay.

00:00:12.69
Linz
How's it going, Chris? You alright?

00:00:14.49
Christopher Santos
I am very, very tired.

00:00:17.86
Linz
Oh, I won't.

00:00:18.58
Christopher Santos
what what What a high-engine way to start a podcast.

00:00:21.22
Linz
I'm very, very tired. This is actually one of the more rare times that we're recording in the evening, just like we used to Well, night, technically.

00:00:22.57
Christopher Santos
I'm very, very tired.

00:00:27.49
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:00:28.93
Linz
But yeah, I like this. I like this vibe. It's dark. And I think this is like optimum atmosphere to record DSR in. So I'm happy about it.

00:00:36.83
Christopher Santos
It is.

00:00:38.10
Linz
Yeah.

00:00:38.37
Christopher Santos
and And you know what all that means I can do.

00:00:42.05
Linz
Oh, God, i don't want to guess.

00:00:46.73
Linz
What's that?

00:00:47.49
Christopher Santos
Swig a beer for the working man.

00:00:49.19
Linz
Oh my god, I've got one too? Can you believe

00:00:52.67
Christopher Santos
What are you drinking?

00:00:52.79
Linz
Which one do you have? I have, I think it's Norwegian. It's an apocalyptic thunder juice. New England IPA with like a

00:01:02.23
Christopher Santos
Isn't that a Rob Zombie album?

00:01:04.16
Linz
I don't know, but it's got really great artwork on it. And it has a UFO on it. I bought that especially.

00:01:11.03
Christopher Santos
Nice.

00:01:11.06
Linz
Yeah, it's got like monsters and a UFO and like Illuminati looking stuff on it. And I was like, oh, DSR evening beer. We had exactly the same idea. We're such working men.

00:01:22.35
Christopher Santos
I'm drinking super dry Asahi.

00:01:25.72
Linz
I knew it. If I had to guess, I would have said that.

00:01:26.63
Christopher Santos
and

00:01:27.84
Linz
Or what's the other one? Kira Nichiban or something.

00:01:30.20
Christopher Santos
Yeah. It is a zero though.

00:01:30.93
Linz
Yeah.

00:01:31.83
Christopher Santos
It is a zero. Never be afraid to have one of those.

00:01:32.80
Linz
o Irresponsible father.

00:01:38.99
Linz
Mine's not, but it's very nice. Tastes good.

00:01:43.59
Linz
What's that podcast? Is it a true crime garage True Crime Garage? I think it's True Crime Garage. it's probably They'd probably die if they heard us say it in a British way.

00:01:52.22
Christopher Santos
Ooh la la. Garage. What do you call it? I call it a car hole.

00:01:58.12
Linz
But yeah, they always drink beer. Or they used to. i i I haven't listened for a long time, but they always crack a beer and talk about it. Oh my gosh, during COVID I listened to this podcast called Death Metal Dicks.

00:02:09.60
Linz
And it was just these two guys. And they were like completely uncensored. And... I think there that sometimes they said things that were a bit like fucking hell. But it really like got me through some of those long COVID walks. Remember when you could have an hour a day to walk?

00:02:25.25
Christopher Santos
Mm-hmm.

00:02:25.50
Linz
I was listening to that podcast and it was... i don't know if they're still around, but that did have me laughing a lot. Death metal dicks. Check them out if you haven't. And if they've really gone off the wall, you didn't hear it from me.

00:02:41.48
Linz
But yeah, so so how are you, Chris? Tired? And you've got a zero beer.

00:02:45.29
Christopher Santos
Yeah, so, but it's all good. It's good to be tired at the end of the day. And it's nice to unwind with a beer. Anyway, people are not here to to to hear us talk about this. What are we talking about?

00:02:57.01
Linz
Well, before we get into what we're talking about, Chris, we'll probably have to tell everyone that if they want to support us and the podcast and keep the lights on here at the DSR HQ, they can go to patreon.com forward slash dystopian simulation radio.

00:03:11.58
Christopher Santos
That's right.

00:03:12.38
Linz
And the images that go along with this episode and all the previous episodes are on Instagram at d.s.radio and other stuff now and again. And also we want to say thanks to our current Patreons. Chris, if you could do that on us, I know you're really great at pronouncing everyone's names and everybody loves it.

00:03:33.66
Christopher Santos
I'm glad you didn't insert the word correctly in there.

00:03:36.03
Linz
Correct. it But be careful with Mr. Conliffe's name today.

00:03:39.36
Christopher Santos
Yes.

00:03:43.13
Christopher Santos
So thank you very much to our patrons. So thank you very much. Tony Taylor, Ethan Cafflin, Michael Cunliffe.

00:03:54.31
Christopher Santos
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00:04:04.91
Christopher Santos
Crash Broadaiath. Jason R. Nelson. Creepy Paper. Jamie Sook. Lindsay Keller. Mike Wright. Kelsey Carruthers. Linz Gibson.

00:04:16.04
Christopher Santos
Drake Haldig. Michael M. Wesley Akers. Riaz Kay. Emily Medeiros. The Toxic Avenger. Pip and Philip Hoffman.

00:04:27.19
Linz
Oh, I love hearing all those names, all those familiar names. We have a couple of new ones there, Chris.

00:04:31.100
Christopher Santos
We do, I believe, since the last time. It is, think, Tony Taylor and Ethan are new. No, Ethan have been there the last time.

00:04:40.00
Linz
Tony Taylor. Tony Taylor is the cutest name ever.

00:04:45.68
Linz
Thank you, Tony. Thank you, Ethan. I think we did hear Ethan last time, but thank you.

00:04:48.92
Christopher Santos
I think Ethan was on last time, but thank you anyway.

00:04:51.83
Christopher Santos
And Michael as well.

00:04:53.19
Linz
We'd love to have you.

00:04:54.04
Christopher Santos
you were you Michael and Ethan, you were new last time. So thank you very much to both of you.

00:04:57.50
Linz
Michael. Michael Conliffe.

00:05:00.64
Christopher Santos
That's the one.

00:05:01.64
Linz
Legend. Total legend. Alright, Chris, do we have anything else before we jump into today's episode?

00:05:10.92
Christopher Santos
I don't believe it. So why don't we open today's file? Oh, actually, no, hold on.

00:05:16.39
Linz
Dexter. Down. s Sorry. Dex, down. Don't meow at me. Sorry. Okay.

00:05:26.60
Linz
You were saying? Yeah.

00:05:28.10
Christopher Santos
actually, Lindsay, know, recently we did cover AI on the Patreon bonus and kind of where that's where that's going.

00:05:35.84
Linz
yeah

00:05:36.89
Christopher Santos
And it featured in our last episode with Project Bluebeam as well. And since then, I've been somewhat bombarding you with Instagram reels of robots doing things.

00:05:47.44
Linz
Yes, and it's getting way too real and I'm getting scared, if I'm perfectly honest, Chris.

00:05:52.31
Christopher Santos
Yes, they now know Kung Fu. And they are now able to to function as rather dinky policemen. However, however, we do have some rather good news.

00:06:05.36
Christopher Santos
So...

00:06:05.64
Linz
Okay.

00:06:07.28
Christopher Santos
You may have noticed in the last ones I've sent you that finally robots and their AI personalities are being put to good use. And NVIDIA, in conjunction with Disney, have created real-life working Star Wars robots.

00:06:25.65
Linz
Oh my god, when you sent that video to me just like an hour ago or so, one of the robots really reminded me of a droid. And I was like, we are getting so close to having R2-D2s.

00:06:36.24
Christopher Santos
But that's it. I mean, literally, it's like they've had its personality designed to be as close to BB-8 or you know one of these Star Wars robots that you get as possible.

00:06:49.77
Christopher Santos
you know Kind of cutesy and clumsy.

00:06:49.98
Linz
and how how many of And how many of my dying organs must I sell to get one?

00:06:56.51
Christopher Santos
Well, early adopters always have to sell loads. You'd definitely have to be selling feet pics to be able to afford one. But...

00:07:02.63
Linz
I might start, honestly, getting hard out here.

00:07:07.51
Christopher Santos
There's a joke there, but I won't go.

00:07:08.86
Linz
Yeah, yeah.

00:07:11.42
Linz
soon as I said it.

00:07:14.54
Christopher Santos
I don't think, well they're not on the market yet, but

00:07:17.65
Linz
My feet pics are the droids.

00:07:19.77
Christopher Santos
I don't know you tell me that, but the droids are not quite out yet. But I predict, I predict in five years, we'll start seeing them rolling down the streets.

00:07:30.01
Linz
I hope so. Well, I do. I hope so. The clumsy droids I do. But then in one of the most recent Star Wars series, like one of the droids goes like AWOL and has some kind of like safety function where it was it Mandalorian actually, where it like self-destructs if it can't complete its mission.

00:07:45.42
Linz
So we'll have to do a lot of like coding and hacking of these droids if we want to like really survive in a world of droids and robots.

00:07:52.14
Christopher Santos
No, I think it's clever to program them as Goofy.

00:07:52.56
Linz
Anyway.

00:07:56.76
Linz
Yeah, I agree.

00:07:57.18
Christopher Santos
not not Not like Mickey Mouse Goofy. I mean, like, to to be a bit clumsy and silly because, yeah, what?

00:08:06.58
Linz
Goik.

00:08:09.24
Christopher Santos
If we don't do that,

00:08:10.01
Linz
What was that? That was not Goofy.

00:08:13.26
Christopher Santos
I don't know, what noise does Goofy make?

00:08:13.95
Linz
It sounded like a Dutchman joking again.

00:08:18.65
Christopher Santos
Isn't he like, oh, oh, oh.

00:08:23.36
Linz
know what that was, but that wasn't

00:08:26.18
Christopher Santos
I'm pretty sure that's goofy. or you do you do Show me a better goofy right now.

00:08:31.45
Linz
All I'm doing is there's no noise. I'm just twirling my finger around Goofy's ear going, shucks. That's what I think when I think of Goofy.

00:08:41.70
Christopher Santos
Maybe. But if we...

00:08:43.88
Linz
Oh, there's the one where he goes skiing and he's like, goy, goy, goy, like the like du like du and he falls down the hill

00:08:51.66
Christopher Santos
That was more of a description of the noise, though.

00:08:54.67
Linz
Oh, everyone else will know what I'm talking about. You've just missed that. I'll insert it. It's terrible.

00:09:03.26
Christopher Santos
But it is...

00:09:03.36
Linz
Oh, God. We're doing this the podcast thing that people fucking hate.

00:09:04.18
Christopher Santos
it is and know.

00:09:07.40
Linz
I don't know if they hate it from us, but they hate it from other people. It's like 20 minutes of like bullshit.

00:09:10.68
Christopher Santos
You can... Yeah. No, we haven't hit 10 minutes yet.

00:09:15.43
Linz
Oh, good.

00:09:16.22
Christopher Santos
But... We need to program droids with goofy personalities so they don't end up skynetting us.

00:09:23.01
Linz
Yes. But also, you sent me a reel and they had a robot called, I think it was Neo. Was it Neo?

00:09:29.48
Christopher Santos
Mm-hmm.

00:09:30.53
Linz
And he had like a voice, like a man's voice. And the woman goes, he's watering plants and shit. And the woman goes, will you shake my hand? And he's like, yes, give me a minute to get out of plant watering mode.

00:09:42.62
Linz
And I'm like, you're going to put your hand in that thing's hand. Like, imagine it just went like, crash and I'll shake your hand, you oppressive whatever. Anyway.

00:09:51.55
Christopher Santos
Yeah. Well, that will happen eventually, but until then, it'll all be cute.

00:09:53.36
Linz
Into the story.

00:09:56.54
Christopher Santos
Making little jokes about plant ordering mode and bringing down the human race.

00:10:00.70
Linz
Well, you watch Cassandra on Netflix and that might change your mind. Great series, by the way.

00:10:07.100
Christopher Santos
think I've seen clips of that.

00:10:10.26
Linz
It's German.

00:10:11.02
Linz
It's really good. I enjoyed it so much.

00:10:13.46
Christopher Santos
Is it the one where they get a robot for the house and it's like a quite, it's a woman and the son like becomes immediately attracted to it.

00:10:25.84
Linz
No, i don't I don't know what porn of AI robots you've been watching. But this is a family moves away from Hamburg and they move to like this smaller town into a house they get for cheap. And it was one of the original smart homes made in the 1960s.

00:10:44.70
Linz
And I won't spoil it, but the robots there, they boot it up and it had a past life.

00:10:44.74
Christopher Santos
Oh, okay.

00:10:53.94
Linz
Let's put it that way.

00:10:55.36
Christopher Santos
Interesting.

00:10:56.30
Linz
it's really good it's called cassandra watch it it's really really really fun but yes

00:11:01.01
Christopher Santos
I'll check that out. But yes, you probably made a good point before, but we should probably get started with the actual thing we're talking about.

00:11:07.03
Linz
yes i'm so ready and so let's just get into it then chris 2014 twenty fourteen

00:11:16.93
Christopher Santos
It was a year.

00:11:18.56
Linz
It was a year indeed, especially for these two. So I'll just set the scene for you here. It was a cold night on December 12th, 2014, when a former Marine and his wife had an unexpected encounter with an otherworldly creature while driving through Carmel, Highland County, Ohio.

00:11:38.89
Linz
Why is it always fucking Ohio?

00:11:43.48
Linz
The man said that on the night of the 12th, as they turned onto Carmel Road and passed by a local church at the foot of a small incline, they drove up over a small hill and saw what they described as a grey-coloured, slender creature standing at a around seven foot tall.

00:12:03.82
Linz
It had muscular legs with what looked like backwards knees and he couldn't see any arms at all. This creature, which they referred to as an alien, darted across the road in front of them and disappeared into the woods.

00:12:21.58
Linz
The couple had recently bought a home in South Highland County, and after a month of living there, they noticed an anomaly in their front yard. They said that a perfectly circular patch of grass stood out on the lawn, and no matter what the season, nor the changing appearance of the grass around it, the circle stayed fresh looking.

00:12:43.100
Linz
He also made a sketch. So Chris, we're going to start off with this encounter before we move on to the main topics today.

00:12:56.10
Christopher Santos
Okay.

00:12:56.10
Linz
So if you could just describe, okay, this is the sketch that this Marine made.

00:13:02.16
Christopher Santos
Okay, so just before I have a look at it, I'll just get this right in my head.

00:13:04.20
Linz
Yes.

00:13:05.41
Christopher Santos
So we've been here before.

00:13:07.98
Linz
Have we?

00:13:09.32
Christopher Santos
Well, kind of. We've got a couple driving down the road and they see an alien in their car.

00:13:15.72
Linz
Well, they think it's an alien.

00:13:18.03
Christopher Santos
Okay. And then they've got a patch of grass in their front yard.

00:13:25.86
Linz
Yeah.

00:13:26.66
Christopher Santos
That...

00:13:27.01
Linz
A circular patch of grass in their front yard. It's a new home that they moved into. And they noticed there was this big circle. And no matter the season, no matter how the appearance of the rest of the grass was, this circle was always fresh.

00:13:40.20
Linz
Which is quite opposite to what we see in these kind of stories, actually. But

00:13:44.90
Christopher Santos
Hmm. Yeah, usually it's dead, isn't it?

00:13:47.44
Linz
Yeah, usually, it with aliens, usually it's burned and dead. Exactly.

00:13:51.79
Christopher Santos
scorched earth okay so what so hit me up with this picture

00:13:58.18
Linz
I am trying to find it my screenshot. It didn't save to the desktop. Bear with me.

00:14:09.23
Linz
God damn it.

00:14:10.83
Linz
Sorry, i thought... Oh, here we go.

00:14:13.49
Linz
If you could say what you see, Chris, this really amazing image.

00:14:21.16
Christopher Santos
That is a that is a colon with legs.

00:14:28.39
Linz
How to describe it, Chris? First off, it's it's a pencil drawing with a little bit of shading. But what are you looking at here, Chris? Say what you see.

00:14:36.50
Christopher Santos
so

00:14:39.65
Christopher Santos
It's not, for anybody who's played Silent Hill 2, it's not too different from a lying man or the lying figure, whatever of you want to call it. So those of you who haven't played Silent Hill, I will try and describe it.

00:14:52.03
Christopher Santos
So there are two legs with backward knees and on the top of those legs, they lead to body, but a body that is just sort of Hourglass shape, but not in the way that you're thinking.

00:15:11.18
Christopher Santos
And it's got no arms.

00:15:11.81
Linz
Mr. Hunky-esque.

00:15:13.32
Christopher Santos
It is. It's shit-like. it it is it's It's poop-esque.

00:15:24.23
Christopher Santos
It's of of of the ilk.

00:15:25.06
Linz
Shit-like is the weirdest description you've ever given.

00:15:29.56
Christopher Santos
It's shit-like.

00:15:31.90
Linz
It's a turd with sort of like emu legs.

00:15:35.75
Christopher Santos
it's yeah it's It's a sentient turd.

00:15:38.33
Linz
And it's right it's in action. You can see how speedy it is.

00:15:41.99
Christopher Santos
It's got speed lines drawn all around it.

00:15:45.77
Christopher Santos
Which, of course, makes me think that this was not drawn by a Marine, but by a four-year-old.

00:15:50.76
Linz
but Four-year-old could never get the shading on those backwards knees, Chris.

00:15:54.60
Christopher Santos
but

00:15:54.82
Linz
Come on.

00:15:55.72
Christopher Santos
That's true. Only a qualified Marine could do that.

00:15:58.36
Linz
Yeah, but this thing is and ass across the road. Turn with that. Okay. Right. Of all the cryptids and aliens who have seen, this is by far the the most shit-like.

00:16:15.08
Christopher Santos
I mean, we've got some contenders out there, but this is definitely the most shitlike one we've ever seen.

00:16:18.42
Linz
Do we? Yeah.

00:16:23.14
Linz
Alright, so the witnesses were unnamed and obviously they did not want to be identified. Neither would I if I'd drawn this. Apparently they talked about the incident sometime after the sighting with cryptozoologists and those in the paranormal circle.

00:16:39.50
Linz
But I struggle to find where the sketch and the quote about the description of it originally came from. What we do know is that on the nineteenth of December 2014,

00:16:50.73
Linz
The Highland County Press published the image alongside an article titled Strange Creature Reported in Carmel Area. They stated the information came from a man named Robert McGlone of the Mutual UFO Network or MUFON.

00:17:07.26
Linz
From the Ohio branch. Like I said. Always weird shit in Ohio.

00:17:12.23
Christopher Santos
Ohio.

00:17:12.39
Linz
So there's a quote. Presumably from this ex-Marine. That says. And I will send this to you Chris. If you can do your best. Six year old Marine.

00:17:24.50
Linz
American Marine voice.

00:17:27.49
Christopher Santos
60-year-old American Marine.

00:17:30.09
Linz
<unk> Excited I think.

00:17:34.50
Christopher Santos
I don't know what an Ohio accent's like.

00:17:35.99
Linz
Ohio.

00:17:38.60
Linz
Really, really diluted southerner.

00:17:39.10
Christopher Santos
That's not healthy. Like to me, like like a military guy's like, but yeah, they live underwater.

00:17:46.98
Linz
Yeah, but this is a marine, you know. Yeah. They've got gills and stuff, so they're a bit like, probably like your goofy voice.

00:17:55.29
Christopher Santos
Okay.

00:17:57.39
Linz
What

00:17:58.95
Christopher Santos
I would like to get this information out to you your area in hopes that maybe someone else had seen it or maybe a giant cross-bred ostrich got loose or something.

00:18:02.29
Linz
the fuck?

00:18:13.80
Linz
Oh, that 0% beer's really gotten to you. All right, let's try it one more time because i laughed over three quarters of that.

00:18:23.09
Christopher Santos
I would like to get this information out in your area in hopes that maybe someone else has seen it or that their giant crossbred ostrich got loose or something.

00:18:37.24
Linz
was it so sensual at the end?

00:18:40.91
Christopher Santos
I was just like, I've got no idea what to do, so I'm just going to do the old, there was a fish in the percolator.

00:18:49.79
Linz
I thought that's what's happening. All right. So there's an old UFO stalker post, which is like a forum website, which I saw an archive of where the source is logged as MUFON and the dates match up to the Carmel creature encounter.

00:19:06.39
Linz
The siding details, which we can assume were told by the Marine's wife, who was with him at the time, read. Okay, you need your old your old lady voice for this one, Grace.

00:19:18.56
Christopher Santos
Old lady voice.

00:19:20.28
Linz
Make it as funny as you want because this case is silly as fuck.

00:19:24.15
Christopher Santos
Friday night, the 12th, we were driving home, and after turning on Carmel Road, which leads to Isle Road, Washburn, we were around the corner by Carmel Church, and then up a small incline, and approximately ten feet over that incline, and in front of the truck, an alien ran across the road and into the woods.

00:19:48.03
Christopher Santos
My husband saw it. He's a skeptic, almost 60 years old. I've got very gay now. but

00:19:57.62
Christopher Santos
okay He's a skeptic, almost 60 years old and a proud Marine. He wouldn't have admitted to seeing it if he hadn't been in shock. I had him draw it for me when we got to the house.

00:20:11.37
Christopher Santos
He said it was asphalt gray. Our asphalt is gray. And about seven foot tall with no arms that he could see, but muscular in the legs area, no jawline, and its legs were bent backward and it leaned forward as it ran.

00:20:30.64
Linz
Chris, I think this is like, if you weren't born as Chris, you would have been born as this woman.

00:20:40.11
Linz
Alright, so that was fucking amazing. I'm sorry, that was like, award winning good. So...

00:20:47.27
Christopher Santos
Our asphalt is gray.

00:20:51.15
Linz
It was asphalt grey. Our asphalt's grey. I just love the idea that like this man had no desire to draw what he'd seen. And then his wife was like, come on come on, just do a sketch of it. And he tried his hardest and came out with that.

00:21:08.01
Linz
now it's online and we're looking at it, which is just fantastic. I also like its muscular legs. Like, in a lot of these cryptid and alien cases, when they describe the things, like, I understand, like, there's no other way to say, like, it was really muscular. It was, like, toned. It never misliked it.

00:21:26.00
Linz
But, like, the way they describe it, like, there's always some, like, sensual undertone to it that makes it really hard to read.

00:21:34.83
Christopher Santos
Its muscular legs were throbbing.

00:21:34.93
Linz
Seriously.

00:21:40.41
Christopher Santos
It was undeniably vascular.

00:21:46.20
Linz
and veiny but I begged him to je draw it for me so I could commit it to memory

00:21:47.65
Christopher Santos
It just got me all worked up.

00:21:55.73
Christopher Santos
so the i could

00:22:00.31
Christopher Santos
Some of those long nights when he's away at marine camp, I'd have, I'd have something.

00:22:10.00
Linz
we had it laminated as king cups

00:22:15.02
Christopher Santos
put drew a picture on asphalt. It's grey, by the way.

00:22:23.58
Linz
I can't take this.

00:22:28.85
Christopher Santos
Oh.

00:22:29.02
Linz
We need to record in the evenings for the rest of time.

00:22:33.55
Christopher Santos
It's been a while since we've had a silly episode.

00:22:35.43
Linz
It's been a while. Also, right.

00:22:37.86
Christopher Santos
Since I last saw you, you muscular shit-like thing.

00:22:40.19
Linz
And this is unhinged.

00:22:45.45
Linz
Curse, come breathe.

00:22:53.74
Linz
I'm actually sweating.

00:22:58.68
Linz
I'm literally sweating and crying and fighting for my life.

00:23:07.93
Linz
Oh my god, can't do this.

00:23:12.67
Christopher Santos
I'll be serious I promise.

00:23:14.71
Linz
I can't take it, I'm literally sweating. Oh gosh. One second, did I need to compose myself. It reminds me for some reason, remember Chris's big meat.

00:23:35.04
Linz
that episode?

00:23:35.74
Christopher Santos
Yes.

00:23:37.18
Linz
The meat torpedoes.

00:23:42.70
Linz
Oh fuck, I'm actually dying.

00:23:46.53
Christopher Santos
Oh.

00:23:48.18
Christopher Santos
So Linz has muted herself.

00:23:50.71
Christopher Santos
Because she's potentially dying.

00:23:53.87
Christopher Santos
I may have... I may have pushed this too far. Lindsay may be... Maybe not with us anymore. She's gone completely quiet. Muted herself.

00:24:07.81
Linz
Oh my god, I didn't mute myself. Can you hear me?

00:24:09.90
Christopher Santos
Oh, I can hear you now.

00:24:11.22
Linz
Oh, when did I cut out? I did not mute myself. you think it muted me?

00:24:15.89
Christopher Santos
Hold on. Oh, hold on. I can mute you. I've just muted you again. then I can't unmute you.

00:24:22.78
Linz
Unmute.

00:24:23.84
Christopher Santos
There we go. I think I muted you, Buxton.

00:24:26.48
Linz
Chris, when did you mute me?

00:24:28.66
Christopher Santos
Just while you were laughing.

00:24:30.30
Linz
Oh, okay, thanks. Okay. I'm composed.

00:24:35.97
Christopher Santos
Okay.

00:24:37.23
Linz
so where were we? Was it just chaos?

00:24:41.05
Christopher Santos
I think really I just read that thing and then we were just and making jokes about the the piece. So its it's in your script. It's probably directly after that quote.

00:24:52.48
Linz
Oh my gosh, I can't believe we muted. We could have put that in at the end. That would have been amazing.

00:24:56.91
Christopher Santos
Oh, I mean, no, no, you You're only muted for about like 10 seconds.

00:25:02.71
Linz
Oh, okay, great.

00:25:05.03
Christopher Santos
Hmm.

00:25:05.83
Linz
Right, here we go. So...

00:25:06.97
Christopher Santos
Hmm.

00:25:07.15
Linz
Oh, God. This creature may sound unique, but it had a predecessor. Believe it or not, there may have been other sightings of similarly described bipedal armless critters scuttling around in the night, specifically in California.

00:25:15.26
Christopher Santos
Oh.

00:25:28.71
Christopher Santos
oh Oh.

00:25:29.70
Linz
ah ah do Do you know what it is?

00:25:32.08
Christopher Santos
It might might we be going to Fresno.

00:25:34.44
Linz
Yep, these sightings have come to be known as the Fresno Nightcrawler sightings. Let's rewind to what is believed to be the first sighting of what would come to be known as the Fresno Nightcrawlers.

00:25:48.57
Linz
Seemingly benign pairs of ghost pants that amble on over through gardens and national parks mind in their own business, quite frankly. So, where did it all begin?

00:26:01.72
Linz
The earliest account goes like this. In 2007, a man named Jose, yes, that is pretty much all the info we have to go on here, in Fresno, California, was woken by barking dogs in the middle of the night.

00:26:16.66
Linz
He went to look at the security camera that he had installed after one of his bikes was stolen, one of which looked over the front lawn of the family home. There on the footage, he saw what appeared to be, well, a large a pair of ghostly trousers walking in a strange fashion across the lawn.

00:26:39.72
Linz
He ran to wake up his brother and show him the footage too. His brother claims to have found small footsteps outside the home. However, by the time any anyone came to investigate the scene, the footprints had been, presumably, wash debate washed away by rain or the elements.

00:26:57.98
Linz
The original footage was lost. Hmm... But a recording of the monitor that was initially played on... Oh, but a recording of the monitor it was initially played on exists.

00:27:09.39
Linz
So let's take a look at this, Chris. But before we do, any comments on the story here or what you already know about the Fresno Nightcrawlers?

00:27:20.25
Christopher Santos
So, I mean, I think you pretty much summed up the one I know about it, that they they very slowly amble across The Fresno?

00:27:30.29
Linz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:30.75
Christopher Santos
and And that's it. They're definitely unusual. It's been a while since I've seen the footage, so I'd like to see that again in a moment. But and from what I remember is that they're just sort of ambling along, and they they don't seem particularly, you know, malevolent or anything.

00:27:48.40
Christopher Santos
They're just sort of out out for a walk.

00:27:49.75
Linz
Yeah, they're not scary, are they? Yeah, they're just kind of going around and they look a bit goofy. Now, I knew of them once again. It's one of those things you see, like, there's a lot of merchandise of the Fresno Nightcrawlers, right?

00:28:02.34
Linz
Like, there's, like, plushies and, but like, pins and artwork and, oh, yeah, all sorts.

00:28:03.49
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:28:06.48
Christopher Santos
It's all over Etsy.

00:28:09.28
Linz
Like, people fucking love. Like, what's that, there's always, like, a phrase that goes with it, like... it's something like everyone's gangster till the pants start walking or something that sounds like really tumbler-esque I don't know where it came from but I always see that and I always see these things and i was like we need that to be in our back catalogue of DSR so if you could yeah if you could just yeah just describe what you're seeing as you watch it say what you see

00:28:18.35
Christopher Santos
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:30.64
Christopher Santos
well I have it open now so should I play it and

00:28:38.17
Christopher Santos
say what you see okay so

00:28:48.91
Christopher Santos
There's something white going across the screen. It's quite difficult to make out what it is, but it definitely has two legs to it.

00:29:02.22
Christopher Santos
It's now changed scene.

00:29:04.70
Christopher Santos
And again, coming out of the very murky darkness, there is what could be described as a pair of hammer pants walking across the frame.

00:29:16.35
Christopher Santos
They are walking much much more speedily than I remember. I remember them kind of ambling along. And also the the music, which could basically be described as from the Saw soundtrack that's been put over the top of it by whoever's uploaded this, is not really helping matters to make it any less creepy.

00:29:24.47
Linz
Yeah.

00:29:40.01
Linz
Do you know what would be better? You're watching it, right? Like there's another take of it. Now I'm going to do this, right?

00:29:44.50
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:29:46.14
Linz
And I think it goes a well it goes along much better. da da de did do do did it it do do did it It's the Dawn of the Dead supermarket music would go so much better with it.

00:29:58.91
Christopher Santos
Yes, definitely. It needs something a little bit happy over it because it's...

00:30:02.16
Linz
Or mall music, sorry.

00:30:03.21
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:30:04.93
Linz
Yeah, so Chris, thoughts on this? Like you've just said, you didn't remember it really looking like this. This was the case for me too.

00:30:13.14
Christopher Santos
I...

00:30:13.14
Linz
Like, I didn't realize it was so, like, speedy.

00:30:15.84
Christopher Santos
Yeah, i remember other footage of this, and maybe it's different footage that I have seen.

00:30:20.32
Linz
Yep.

00:30:22.21
Christopher Santos
This one, it's very murky, difficult to work out. It's even difficult to work out that it's not just a sort of quivering, like, I don't know what you even describe it, a quivering tube until it gets like relatively close to the camera and you can make out that there is it it's got a thigh gap.

00:30:38.68
Linz
Yeah.

00:30:42.82
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:30:43.56
Linz
A thigh gap.

00:30:44.64
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:30:45.62
Linz
Speaking of Tumblr.

00:30:48.86
Christopher Santos
But there's not a...

00:30:49.93
Linz
Yeah.

00:30:50.04
Christopher Santos
I mean, it's just sort of walking towards... I mean, you could... If it wasn't the fact that the the legs were moving back and forth in such a clear walking pattern, it could be relatively dismissed as, you know, some pants have been blown off a washing line.

00:31:04.03
Christopher Santos
Something like that.

00:31:04.33
Linz
Yeah, but they're definitely sort of twisting. It's almost like if you zoomed out, right, and a child was holding like a wishbone and doing like make-believe walking, it kind of moves like that, which I understand is a bit abstract, but I'm sure people can imagine what I'm saying here.

00:31:11.29
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:31:14.15
Christopher Santos
Yeah, yeah, very much. like

00:31:18.80
Christopher Santos
I would say rather than a wishbone, because don't know about you, Linz, I didn't play with wishbones much when I was a kid.

00:31:24.98
Linz
No, but I mean the the shape, you know? If you put like some fabric over a wishbone and went twist, twist, twist, walk, walk, walk, it's sort of...

00:31:26.99
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:31:32.72
Linz
It's very hard to describe, but it does look like a pair of pants.

00:31:34.53
Christopher Santos
Yeah. Yes. so Everybody out there, apparently Linz played with wishbones a lot when she was a child.

00:31:37.47
Linz
Yeah.

00:31:41.65
Christopher Santos
I would liken this to

00:31:42.35
Linz
Times were hard.

00:31:44.69
Christopher Santos
to something else that was very hard, those plastic figures you used to get. Like, you know, for example, I used to have the Hasbro WWF figures, you know, like, and they they'd be to be fixed in one place.

00:31:53.37
Linz
Oh, yeah.

00:31:56.34
Christopher Santos
So it wasn't like the the more modern ones, like the Galoo ones or the Jaxx ones, sorry, that you get with joints.

00:32:01.08
Linz
Joint list figures, right?

00:32:02.46
Christopher Santos
They'd be jointless.

00:32:02.55
Linz
Yeah.

00:32:03.72
Christopher Santos
They'd kind of, you know, clack their fists together or you you'd put their hands in the air, like the Ultimate Warrior or something like that. But they were basically, they had one action that they could do and you were faced as a child if you had the ring with an option of either having them kind of float around the ring or wiggling them back and forth to emulate walking as if they've just shot their pants

00:32:25.50
Linz
Oh yeah, so all of these talk of rings and emulating and things.

00:32:31.36
Christopher Santos
yes

00:32:32.28
Linz
For those who didn't live a Charles Dickens-style childhood, I'm sure that was really fun. I'm kidding.

00:32:41.23
Linz
But yeah, it's just, yeah, it does look like like a kid playing with some a figure of something. like Yeah, like you said, a joint list figure. But like you've ripped the top half of like, which wrestler wore white pants?

00:32:52.92
Linz
Did any of them?

00:32:54.50
Linz
Ric Flair, did he wear white pants at some point?

00:32:57.51
Linz
Yeah. Yeah.

00:32:59.45
Christopher Santos
ah ah i mean, like, on a figure, or do you mean, like, just in in real life?

00:33:03.65
Linz
You know, if there's a figure of a wrestler who ever wore like white flares, I'm sure there friggin was in the 80s. But yeah, if you like rip the top half off and went walk, walk, walk, it kind of looks like that.

00:33:14.44
Linz
it's It's a weird video.

00:33:16.63
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:33:16.68
Linz
it's it's There's a weird like fluidity to it also.

00:33:16.82
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:33:19.40
Linz
It's very hard to describe. You have to watch it. We will put it on Instagram and Patreon so you can do so.

00:33:24.40
Christopher Santos
it

00:33:25.12
Linz
You can just look it up on YouTube.

00:33:27.13
Christopher Santos
This is a deep cut that probably only Wes is going to get.

00:33:27.41
Linz
It's...

00:33:30.69
Linz
Oh, just go for it.

00:33:30.91
Christopher Santos
But if anyone else gets it out there, fine. he's he's He's wearing them Hakushi pants. Or latterly, he's wearing those Rey Mysterio when he entered WWE pants.

00:33:43.07
Linz
okay enjoy that Wes we can imagine oh Pip might also get that Pip may be in on this I'm not sure

00:33:46.66
Christopher Santos
A Hakushi reference. A fucking Hakushi reference.

00:33:54.56
Christopher Santos
Jinsei Shinzaki? think Yeah, Jinsei Shinzaki. Anyway, never mind.

00:34:02.56
Christopher Santos
saw him live once.

00:34:04.61
Linz
in Japan

00:34:05.85
Christopher Santos
Yeah, he wasn't just like walking down the street in Whitley Bay.

00:34:10.14
Linz
I'll cut that out just for doxing purposes.

00:34:12.44
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:34:13.80
Linz
All right. So these intergalactic pantaloons scared the ever-loving shit out of Jose and his brother. And they were actually a little scared to leave the house after witnessing the event, apparently.

00:34:26.73
Linz
So... Word got around, not exactly sure who delivered this information to a local news station. I'm thinking Jose and his brother, because, like, who else would know? But the news of this strange being captured on film reached the desk of a local reporter from Univision 21 Fresno, who then reached out to some bloke from MUFON named Victor Chamacho, I think that's how you say it,

00:34:53.62
Linz
Victor did a MUFON talk about the case, where he explains that he met with Jose initially and was shown the video but didn't get much conversation out of him.

00:35:03.91
Linz
The guy was a bit scared, a bit sort of withdrawn. He refused to have his face filmed and is only seen in the report from the neck down. And this was in November of that year.

00:35:15.46
Linz
So some time passes and in February of the following year, Jose met with Victor again, and this time he appeared fully on camera showing his face and everything.

00:35:26.92
Linz
And he seemed a lot more chill than he was at the time of the initial event or the initial incident. Nothing of note really came up in this talk other than the fact that MUFON volunteers were now involved, suggesting that the Fresno Nightcrawler is extraterrestrial in nature.

00:35:46.32
Linz
Just a little pair of alien legs strolling around the Earth without a visa. So Chris, thoughts? Fresno Nightcrawler, alien.

00:35:57.89
Christopher Santos
up I mean, it's a very... Yeah, sure. Maybe. i

00:36:05.27
Linz
Were you about to say it's a very weird alien?

00:36:07.69
Christopher Santos
yeah i was like, it's it's not what you think of when you think it. I would say it seems more like, to me, i'm looking it looks more like a... Like if I'm going to try and attribute something to it, it looks more like some kind of cryptid that isn't really...

00:36:22.04
Linz
Yeah.

00:36:23.93
Christopher Santos
you know, because cryptids tend to be more on the animalistic side of things. They're not necessarily intelligent. Yeah. sort of but they're not necessarily not intelligent but i mean it doesn't seem like it's it's out there you know hunting for a specific reason as an alien it's not like oh hey i've come down here and i'm gonna probe people it's just like oh hey i'm out for a walk because i'm a frisdow night crawler and i crawl in the net

00:36:31.38
Linz
Yeah.

00:36:49.54
Linz
Aww, that's so cute. But some people think that Bigfoot is an alien, don't they?

00:36:53.56
Christopher Santos
they do

00:36:53.69
Linz
it it gets really, like, the lines get blurred a lot between cryptid and alien. Like, people all have, like, different opinions about what is what. But yeah, it's, Alien was... It was also weird to me that, like, MUFON were in on this. But then again, like... What does it really take to be, like, a MUFON volunteer for your area?

00:37:13.86
Linz
Yeah, you know what I mean?

00:37:15.53
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:37:17.09
Linz
Like... You could if you if you're like a move on volunteer, you're probably just going to go and look into anything that's slightly strange, like a sort of Mulder and Scully thing.

00:37:29.17
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:37:30.20
Linz
aren't you? You're probably just going to start going, well, maybe. And then you start trying to like correlate like UFO sightings around the same time. and and like And since we don't know what an alien is, like obviously there's like the 90s franchised version of an alien, like the grey, or like the reptilian, you know but or the Nordics, which are less popular, but we all know what they are. It's like, if they're not any of those, like we're just like attributing any strange occurrence to, oh, it must be aliens.

00:37:59.46
Linz
So, I mean, i suppose that's why MUFON could have been looking into it.

00:38:02.85
Christopher Santos
Mm-hmm.

00:38:03.28
Linz
But I think apparently the the news station contacted the MUFON guy and were like, can you say it's an alien? And he was like, I don't know. but So suppose it can happen like that. But I'm not sure if MUFON thought it was an alien if the news station had like some sort of narrative.

00:38:20.37
Linz
But anyway, MUFON did look into it. So are you convinced yet, Chris, of the Fresno Nightcrawler? You know, we have the 2014 one, the marine sighting.

00:38:31.92
Linz
Do you think that they are the same thing? Or did he get a better look at the same creature?

00:38:38.23
Linz
Close up?

00:38:38.25
Christopher Santos
but It's possible. That is very low quality video footage.

00:38:38.99
Linz
Or...

00:38:40.83
Christopher Santos
I will say we very we very rarely have video footage on this show.

00:38:41.37
Linz
It's awful. Yeah.

00:38:46.84
Christopher Santos
So I will take it. It's, is you know, think, what you know, what do I think? I don't know.

00:38:55.54
Linz
It's a recording of a recording though, right? So like that's suspicious to me.

00:38:58.31
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:38:59.38
Linz
Like, you know, maybe the actual recording had a lot of detail, but the recording of the recording was more like of like obscure.

00:39:03.10
Christopher Santos
That's true.

00:39:06.66
Linz
So they could kind of say what they wanted. Not that I'm accusing Jose.

00:39:08.69
Christopher Santos
yeah usually usually security cameras, and if this is in the 90s as well, like you gotta, yeah, that's the 90s.

00:39:13.18
Linz
No, this was 2007 or something.

00:39:17.51
Christopher Santos
But it's still, earlier home video cameras, there were, I mean like security cameras, mean even now the quality isn't great on them, they're always reduced quality, you know.

00:39:26.16
Linz
Yeah.

00:39:30.54
Linz
Yeah, so it depends what you have, but yeah.

00:39:32.18
Christopher Santos
Yeah. I mean, you do you remember, like, if you ever worked anywhere that had a security security camera and you'd see, like, the footage playing and you'd be like, like, seriously, so so you could commit a murder directly in front of this and it would be inadmissible in court.

00:39:40.17
Linz
Abysmal. Yeah, abysmal.

00:39:46.99
Linz
Chris's confession.

00:39:48.70
Christopher Santos
Excuse me.

00:39:50.75
Linz
Some healthcare care CEO really got on your nerves at some point.

00:39:56.72
Linz
oh

00:39:56.80
Christopher Santos
i'm Am I convinced by this? I don't know. I don't think it's an alien.

00:40:01.48
Linz
Mm-hmm.

00:40:01.51
Christopher Santos
Nothing's made me convinced that it's an alien yet, but it could very well be a cryptid.

00:40:05.09
Linz
Cryptid?

00:40:07.99
Linz
Okay. Okay.

00:40:08.63
Christopher Santos
You know, put those two things next each other, I'd put money on cryptid. But that being said, I am not yet quite convinced of this whole thing.

00:40:15.03
Linz
So what do you think you're looking at at this point so far in the episode?

00:40:19.88
Christopher Santos
in that In that particular footage...

00:40:21.84
Linz
Yeah, just so far in the episode, like with what you've been shown, what what do you think? Is it just some weird abnormality that's completely normal, but we haven't identified it? Is it a creature that you know, an alien? What do you think?

00:40:37.11
Christopher Santos
I mean, honestly, in the footage, because it's relatively low quality, and like you say, it's a recording of a recording, which is suspicious in itself.

00:40:49.86
Christopher Santos
You know, when you were a kid, did you ever pull your yeah trousers up?

00:40:54.36
Linz
Uh-oh. What?

00:40:56.19
Christopher Santos
you ever pull your trousers up to like, up to your armpits?

00:41:01.28
Linz
What trousers were you wearing?

00:41:05.61
Linz
is there a bungee in there?

00:41:05.71
Christopher Santos
Like if you were in like pajamas or something.

00:41:07.74
Linz
the

00:41:08.08
Christopher Santos
Oh, sorry. Hold on. Shut up, you.

00:41:12.61
Linz
What is that? It's so cute.

00:41:14.40
Christopher Santos
It's my cuckoo clock.

00:41:16.24
Linz
You have a cuckoo clock.

00:41:18.53
Christopher Santos
Yeah, well, it's Haru's really.

00:41:19.47
Linz
What are you, a little Swiss man?

00:41:22.61
Christopher Santos
he what he wanted it He wanted a cuckoo clock for Christmas.

00:41:26.07
Linz
Oh, yes, I remember that. That's so cute.

00:41:27.61
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:41:29.27
Linz
Isn't it his birthday, like, in just over a week?

00:41:32.15
Christopher Santos
Yeah, yeah, yeah, in what, 11 days?

00:41:37.47
Linz
Oh, my God. Okay, i'm going to send something tomorrow.

00:41:39.97
Christopher Santos
Thank you.

00:41:40.99
Linz
I think I know what. Okay, anyway. So what do you think, Chris?

00:41:45.36
Christopher Santos
Excuse me, sorry.

00:41:48.54
Christopher Santos
Right, so you know when you were a kid, did you never like pull like pajama, and like trousers up or anything like that, and up to your, like, your armpits and be stupid?

00:42:01.79
Linz
No, but one time after we played like a show somewhere, we cut the... This is so stupid. We had a Tesco bag and we cut the the two bottom corners off and wore them as sort of like dungarees.

00:42:16.84
Linz
That's really funny.

00:42:21.50
Linz
But no, I did not. But I know where you're going with this.

00:42:22.96
Christopher Santos
well yeah imagine for a second that you just have some very stretchy pants on and you pull them up like let's say you've got like you know a tie pants which aren't necessarily stretchy but they are baggy let's say you've got a stretchy virgin version a vote of them

00:42:37.49
Linz
A stretchy virgin.

00:42:39.04
Christopher Santos
ah true

00:42:39.81
Linz
Chris, please. This is a family show.

00:42:43.55
Christopher Santos
well those two things don't go together

00:42:47.80
Linz
Okay, the tie pants, like the high-waisted wrap-around pants, yeah.

00:42:49.97
Christopher Santos
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So imagine you get them and you just like, you pull them all way up above your head and you you tie them in a top knot up there. I mean, you just cut two little eye holes. It could very well just be that.

00:43:01.92
Christopher Santos
It could just be somebody walking around with hammer pants trying to make a cryptid. That's the most likely scenario in this case.

00:43:10.64
Linz
Okay, do you think it was Jose? Jose was in on it. He was like, hey, put these pants on.

00:43:14.81
Christopher Santos
I think it was either Jose or like Jose's son. Like, just like, like like look let's play a trick on dad.

00:43:21.47
Linz
Okay.

00:43:23.91
Christopher Santos
He's got that new security camera. Like, just, just you know, hey, hey, Juan. I'm assuming that Jose's got two boys.

00:43:35.50
Christopher Santos
One of them's called Juan and one of them's called Juan Junior.

00:43:37.09
Linz
Juan Jr. Okay. Chris. Oh, yes. Okay.

00:43:40.17
Christopher Santos
Juan and Jose Junior.

00:43:40.94
Linz
Only you can make these jokes.

00:43:42.81
Christopher Santos
And he's like, Juan, Juan, get the high-waisted pants, man.

00:43:49.14
Linz
Disclaimer, Chris is Spanish.

00:43:50.79
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:43:53.95
Linz
I have no part in this.

00:43:57.88
Christopher Santos
And yeah just appear on the on the camera and try and see what what their dad does. But then the dad takes it way too far and reports it to the authorities. And then they're like, oh, shit, we can't do this now.

00:44:09.64
Linz
oh Oh, also, right, he installed them because he had like some theft at his premises, like someone still bikes.

00:44:16.13
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:44:17.36
Linz
So maybe it was the thieves and they were like, oh, we don't have any stockings to put over our heads. Maybe you can just pull our white MC Hammer pants up over our faces. So you could be onto something, actually.

00:44:27.62
Christopher Santos
yeah

00:44:29.16
Linz
Okay, well, if that wasn't enough to convince you that we're dealing with a cryptid and alien, Chris, we have another video to look at here. And this is one... so And this is one where the Fresno Nightcrawler struck again and were captured on a recording in Yosemite National Park on March 28th, 2011.

00:44:50.23
Linz
So, the version of the video that we're going to be watching today was uploaded by a YouTube account called... Hmm... Sierra Parahunter and they have a description under the video that I really like and it poses a lot of questions so if you could read this description Chris and then we'll take a look at the footage

00:45:14.34
Linz
okay now you're a YouTuber who's a paranormal investigator okay

00:45:21.26
Christopher Santos
The entire couple is having murder date.

00:45:24.96
Linz
so If they ever hear it, it'll be so much trouble.

00:45:32.09
Christopher Santos
A retired couple were having trouble with break-ins in their Yosemite private property and aimed their security camera at the driveway to video visitors. They caught these things on their security camera and called me over to see because they know that I am interested in the paranormal.

00:45:50.21
Christopher Santos
They gave me this digital copy, but I can't figure out what the crap they are. They remind me of the Fresno stick-like creatures, but they seem to transfer a weight, and there are two here.

00:46:02.15
Christopher Santos
Is one a baby? What are these? Nightcrawlers? Stickmen? Something new? What?

00:46:10.72
Linz
love that description what the crap are they the crap are they but but like stick men what do you mean stick men

00:46:23.20
Christopher Santos
Stickman? I'm Stickman! I'm Stickman! I'm Stickman!

00:46:28.15
Linz
remember remember that video that we watched like two years ago

00:46:31.85
Christopher Santos
Parents out there all get that one.

00:46:34.60
Linz
It went right over my head. Remember but the this the video we watched years ago where you were like, it was quote-unquote paranormal video and you were like, what are they?

00:46:45.29
Linz
what like this This guy is capturing ghosts through his Xbox tracking.

00:46:50.32
Christopher Santos
Oh, yes.

00:46:51.55
Linz
And it was like, he turned the like sensitivity up like really high and it was like stick men things the screen and you couldn't work it out for the longest time. And you like almost started believing in ghosts.

00:47:06.67
Christopher Santos
it was it was well done until you until year

00:47:09.97
Linz
Chris, it was not well done. And he was going, and like looking behind him.

00:47:15.16
Christopher Santos
No, no, no. The thing that got me on it was that...

00:47:18.43
Linz
o o

00:47:23.31
Christopher Santos
So it was recorded...

00:47:23.98
Linz
Chris was scared of the dark after that, his wife told me

00:47:24.74
Christopher Santos
It was recorded using, I think it was a Wii? Yeah.

00:47:31.93
Linz
Was it a Wii or an Xbox? think it might have been an Xbox.

00:47:33.60
Christopher Santos
but was but I think it was it sort of was an Xbox Kinect, I think. And yeah so what it does on an Xbox Kinect, it maps out your body using like a stick figure thing so that it can tell if you're playing a game that has that input, you and you need to lift your hand up.

00:47:36.76
Linz
It was an Xbox for sure, yeah.

00:47:52.16
Christopher Santos
If you lift your hand up, it can tell that you're doing it. So the thing that got me was that I didn't understand how you could fake that. particularly which made me like want to watch more of these videos and then i sent them to you and we're having a laugh about it and then i read a comment when somebody totally exposed how they did it i can't remember it was now whether it was dual layering them over each other or something like that but it was yeah it it was it was i'm pretty sure those youtube videos are still going

00:48:22.84
Linz
yeah 100% like he has not given up making those for sure he had so many views yeah it was literally a man in the dark and stick men attacking him in his bed.

00:48:34.93
Linz
It was like paranormal activity with like stick men on the screen.

00:48:39.38
Christopher Santos
yeah

00:48:40.02
Linz
Oh, Chris. All right. So here we have the Yosemite footage. It is Yosemite, right?

00:48:46.47
Christopher Santos
Yosemite, that's what.

00:48:47.52
Linz
Yosemite.

00:48:48.28
Christopher Santos
yeah

00:48:48.28
Linz
Yeah. So here we have the Yosemite National Park footage. If you could watch it Chris, and so and tell the listeners what you can see.

00:48:57.84
Christopher Santos
Sure. Aha, now this is the footage that I am familiar with.

00:49:02.65
Linz
Right.

00:49:04.78
Christopher Santos
So essentially, yep, we've got

00:49:08.23
Christopher Santos
Yes, we've got a camera up and there's a small creature walking into frame. It's a bit more high quality, this one. And then he's followed or they are followed by a much smaller one.

00:49:15.79
Linz
Yep. Yeah.

00:49:19.93
Christopher Santos
But in a kind of Father Ted question, is it small or just far away? So they're walking across the screen. They very much seem to be humanoids without arms in this footage. This is much better quality footage, but they are completely white.

00:49:37.63
Christopher Santos
Or at least this is this is like night camera footage, so everything's a bit green. So they appear white. You get a good look at the fact that they've got very long legs.

00:49:48.49
Christopher Santos
in this footage so it does they do seem inhumanly long their legs that they have it's not like the last one you could only really see that the gap was coming at the kind of bottom of the legs in this one the gap kind of goes like like where i suppose you'd say their groin is is way up there

00:49:54.74
Linz
Yes. her

00:50:09.91
Linz
Yeah, it's really refined compared to Jose's. It's a very, for what it is, it's very clear, very fluid. You can, this definition, you know, like Jose's was just like kind of blurry, but you could see something. This is like, it feels very, how would you say

00:50:33.66
Linz
What's the word for like? It feels very deliberate. Right? So Chris, if you could read like a few of the top comments from under this Yosemite footage video.

00:50:42.54
Christopher Santos
Absolutely. So let's go with the top one.

00:50:45.38
Linz
Top comment. Yep.

00:50:47.82
Christopher Santos
They aren't even doing anything wrong. Just taking their kid out for a little midnight stroll.

00:50:54.62
Christopher Santos
The next one. I love how casually they're walking. Cracks me up.

00:51:01.21
Christopher Santos
The next one. no He's taking his kid out for a walk. And then the last one that I'll read. Oh, sorry, the second to last one. The last one I'll read is, Then I was deep in the woods when suddenly I spied them.

00:51:17.15
Christopher Santos
I saw a pair of pale green pants with nobody inside them. And the last one, which, be fair when you're talking about things that should go over the top of footage like this, is Making the way downtown, walking fast.

00:51:32.05
Linz
working fast side note I just I showed my boyfriend white chicks the movie for the first time have you seen it

00:51:44.97
Christopher Santos
Yeah, I don't think... didn't know it it needed watching more than once, but yes, I do know the movie White Chicks.

00:51:49.95
Linz
making my way downtown working fast

00:51:52.68
Christopher Santos
Oh, is that is that where that means from?

00:51:55.57
Linz
Yes! Oh, watch it again. You've got to watch it again. Seriously, it's so good. Like, he had never seen it, and he's Swedish, obviously, so he was just... I was like, you've never seen White Chicks? And he was like, what the fuck is happening?

00:52:09.37
Linz
Yeah. But there's a scene where... oh I don't want to spoil it I mean it's a trash movie but it's and also an amazing movie and I also like the comment that says don't talk to me or my son ever again so Chris what do you think of the Yosemite footage what are your opinions on it it came after Jose's footage do you have any opinions on it or anything to sort of add mm-hmm

00:52:36.13
Christopher Santos
It's much better footage. It is more convincing, but also with with clarity comes a little bit more...

00:52:46.48
Christopher Santos
What I mean is, this you can see the footage here better. So therefore, you can kind of think, well, hold on a bit. it does They look very, very human.

00:52:58.71
Linz
Oh, you think it's stilts?

00:53:00.95
Christopher Santos
yeah like something is it stilts that they're on i mean you can see that they're bending in an odd sort of way so maybe it isn't but you know on grainy footage it's counted at an angle as well it

00:53:02.12
Linz
Right, yep.

00:53:15.39
Linz
Yep. Like, if if you want if that's a security camera, it's in a shit place.

00:53:16.59
Christopher Santos
it

00:53:20.54
Christopher Santos
Yes, they they are. They are the very skinny. So, you know, the way that I could kind of do you remember that movie wreck REC.

00:53:25.89
Linz
Yeah.

00:53:31.78
Linz
Oh god, I love the Spanish one. The Spanish horror like found footage sort of.

00:53:33.87
Christopher Santos
Yeah. Yeah.

00:53:36.51
Linz
it's so good. I love that movie. Yes.

00:53:38.16
Christopher Santos
It's a great movie. And at the end, there's a kind of an inhuman creature that's terrifying. But the the funny thing about it is that it is actually human.

00:53:44.10
Linz
Yes.

00:53:46.06
Christopher Santos
It's somebody who has got, I think, the gigantism and is is also extremely thin as well.

00:53:53.62
Linz
Yes.

00:53:53.68
Christopher Santos
So they've got, they're very gangly. They've got very, very long limbs. And because of the way that they hunch over and and act in that way, they look terrifying.

00:54:04.60
Christopher Santos
it's It's a little bit like that.

00:54:04.72
Linz
Yeah. Yeah, I think they were also in like Mama, that movie as well. They've been in a lot of horror movies as like a character like that.

00:54:11.32
Christopher Santos
Yes. Mm-hmm.

00:54:13.51
Linz
Yeah. I mean, to me, I feel like it doesn't even have to be any kind of person with sort of a a special but like appeal to them. I think you could probably do stilts. I think you could do I think some people have suggested it's like two like RC cars.

00:54:30.38
Linz
As feet and then like sticks. I've heard people say it's like something on string. I've heard people say stilts. that Basically people are saying it's manufactured after the Jose Fresno Night Crawler thing.

00:54:43.06
Linz
And you know that kind of jumping on the hype trying to like... perpetuate this whole like idea of this cryptid. That's what I've heard, but I really don't know. i don't know how they did it. I'm sure it's it's definitely possible, especially digitally.

00:54:57.82
Linz
It's 100% possible. well I don't know how, but for me, it feels deliberate, manufactured after the fact. so yeah it doesn't really add up for me but so next we have chris a two minute video i guess we'll just play this on the podcast for people to listen to but you can also watch it well we link everything on patreon that's worth watching we try to put stuff on Instagram d.s.radio but it's okay so here we have a two minute video detailing the experience of a man named Sean Reagan who relates to us his terrifying story of events from a night in 2020 telling this from his gaming chair so Chris this was on the history channel which you know

00:55:43.89
Linz
It's not exactly the most trustworthy source when it comes to things like this, but if we could just watch this together and then maybe afterwards we'll talk about it.

00:55:51.36
Christopher Santos
sure.

00:55:54.68
Linz
right, I'm going to watch it now.

00:55:56.60
Christopher Santos
Here we go.

00:55:56.95
Linz
Click. Oh, count me down.

00:55:59.40
Christopher Santos
got damn a that

00:56:01.68
Linz
Oh, got an ad? I didn't get an ad. That's weird.

00:56:04.45
Christopher Santos
here we go

00:56:06.13
Linz
Okay, three, two, one

00:56:10.70
Linz
Okay.

00:56:11.53
Christopher Santos
Okay, so there we go.

00:56:13.57
Linz
Chris, so thoughts, thoughts, thoughts, thoughts.

00:56:16.94
Christopher Santos
Well, Marilyn Manson's guitarist had a lot to say.

00:56:21.19
Linz
John, thought what's his name? Marilyn Manson's guitar. Oh, he looks like him.

00:56:24.70
Christopher Santos
No, he doesn't look like John 5, no.

00:56:25.11
Linz
Do you think so? okay.

00:56:29.21
Christopher Santos
you know you know i was thinking, I was like, well, there's a Marilyn Manson joke in here somewhere, but never mind.

00:56:33.57
Linz
you know what? The first thing I thought when I saw him, and I don't know if this is like judgmental, is there's no way he's not heard of the Fresno Nightcrawler.

00:56:42.60
Christopher Santos
He looks like he's got a YouTube channel exclusively dedicated to the Fresno Night Corolla.

00:56:42.65
Linz
Like, we've heard of him. Yeah.

00:56:47.45
Linz
Exactly. Like, if if we know, he knows. Like, there's no way he's avoided knowing about the Fresno Nightcrawler. I look at him, I think, cryptid guy. Yeah.

00:56:56.47
Christopher Santos
Yeah, but, you know, who are we to talk?

00:56:59.28
Linz
Yeah.

00:56:59.50
Christopher Santos
So, yeah, he he was just describing how they had a they had a similar sort of experience where they captured some footage of an unknown creature.

00:57:05.26
Linz
Yeah.

00:57:08.31
Christopher Santos
They put it on the Internet and within moments that they found out that it was a Fresno nightcrawler. And then they felt vindicated because, well, this thing had been reported previous.

00:57:20.18
Linz
Yeah. I mean, it's very similar to Jose's footage. I'll give him that.

00:57:23.83
Christopher Santos
Hmm.

00:57:25.00
Linz
Yeah.

00:57:25.89
Christopher Santos
But yeah have to is that deliberate though?

00:57:26.24
Linz
So does this change? Oh, you think he's manufactured it to look like Jose's footage?

00:57:32.49
Christopher Santos
Well, there's always that option if you put your skeptics hat on, you know, that, you know, it's copycat.

00:57:36.12
Linz
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:57:38.76
Christopher Santos
Unless these are isolated incidents completely unrelated to each other, you know, happening happening simultaneously, it's very difficult. to It's just very, very difficult to to eliminate that from the equation.

00:57:52.73
Linz
Yeah, I suppose the extra element is that he found a dead deer near his property after the fact.

00:58:00.38
Christopher Santos
True.

00:58:00.65
Linz
And that's why he checked the security cameras. Does that change anything for you? Are we thinking like cattle mutilation?

00:58:06.00
Christopher Santos
No.

00:58:08.16
Linz
I know it's not cattle, it's a wild animal, but are we thinking like, you know, that's a UFO trope is like they come, they kill a bunch of cows and probe people, I guess.

00:58:11.47
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:58:19.15
Christopher Santos
Yeah. it I mean, it didn't really change anything.

00:58:20.81
Linz
But

00:58:21.91
Christopher Santos
I mean, you know, mean, how many, you know, you live in a more foresty area than I do.

00:58:22.78
Linz
Okay.

00:58:27.11
Christopher Santos
I'm sure you must come across, you know,

00:58:28.69
Linz
Yeah, and that's going to come into play, in my opinion, on this. So, in my opinion, the clip that Sean captured actually made me sort of realise what I had been looking at the whole time.

00:58:45.82
Linz
And it's not a pair of a supernatural slacks. I believe, Chris, that this is possibly two deer fighting with their antlers locked.

00:59:01.08
Linz
Not in Sean's footage.

00:59:01.41
Christopher Santos
Okay.

00:59:02.68
Linz
I think Jose's footage, it was possibly two deers with the locked antlers, just really bad quality. In Sean's footage, I think they didn't have their antlers locked. And I think they were just fighting and sort of moving towards the camera.

00:59:18.47
Linz
And in Sean's video, in my opinion, this is not like fact. I felt like I saw their eyes and also that the tail of a white deer, the little flash of white.

00:59:30.19
Christopher Santos
Ooh. oh

00:59:30.44
Linz
And so i I scrolled in the comments. And after I like after I watched it, i was like, deer, like this is because his footage was way better quality than Jose's. And I think the Yosemite thing is a hoax. It's manufactured. It's completely different.

00:59:45.52
Linz
But this one, I was like, I think this is like he naturally captured it, thought it looked like the Fresno Nightcrawlers. Maybe he believed it was. I don't know. But I feel like he obviously lives in an area with a lot of deer. So maybe he did know. not accusing you, Sean. Really sorry.

01:00:00.26
Linz
But someone who also lives like in an area that has a lot of deer, it looks like two fighting deer standing up. And I scrolled the comments and I saw a lot of people saying the same thing.

01:00:11.01
Linz
So Chris, if you'd be so kind just to read a few of the top comments under this history video, history channel video, what should I say?

01:00:15.75
Christopher Santos
Sure.

01:00:21.17
Christopher Santos
I've been watching this one over and over. It really looks like two deers briefly fighting, standing up.

01:00:25.69
Linz
hmm.

01:00:26.28
Christopher Santos
I don't understand why nobody saw it too. Well, I've spent a considerable amount of time around deer. To me, it looks like two deer that are antler-locked and hobbling upright across the frame, making it look like a stride, but actually it's two heads stuck together.

01:00:41.66
Linz
Thanks, Ringo.

01:00:44.44
Christopher Santos
If it were a rut, it would be would explain more aggressive behavior and panic one deer may have died from wounds, from trying to dislodge each other from the tangler tangled antlers.

01:00:59.56
Linz
Okay. So Yes!

01:01:01.36
Christopher Santos
Two deers fighting, one didn't make it. No investigator even suggested this.

01:01:05.16
Linz
Exactly.

01:01:08.01
Linz
Exactly.

01:01:09.96
Christopher Santos
My missus calls me the night crawler because every Saturday night I get blind drunk at the pub and I have to crawl over them.

01:01:17.87
Linz
Was that a real comment?

01:01:19.35
Christopher Santos
Yes.

01:01:20.81
Christopher Santos
Now, I would just like to to take a look at at this footage again. So, yeah, I can i can absolutely see in

01:01:26.85
Linz
Yeah, have a look.

01:01:30.82
Christopher Santos
In this one from from the the History Channel that it looks like two Deer's fighting.

01:01:35.92
Linz
Right.

01:01:36.08
Christopher Santos
And I have just looked again the footage from Jose. And this time I don't, but knowing with that in my mind, I don't see two pants walking.

01:01:48.66
Christopher Santos
I see two beings, presumably Deer, locked in a fight that are largely spinning around as they come towards the camera.

01:01:54.100
Linz
Yeah.

01:01:56.67
Christopher Santos
And then they sort of wrestle back and forth.

01:01:56.92
Linz
Right?

01:01:59.38
Linz
Yep, exactly. Like I when I saw like up until the point that I saw this Sean's video, I didn't know what I was looking at. Like, OK, Yosemite, we can I think we can mix that. Like that's not like naturally like captured footage. That's sort of like they made a thing.

01:02:18.62
Linz
But yeah, Jose's and Sean's footage. I feel like that is too dear, isn't it?

01:02:25.45
Christopher Santos
Yeah, definitely.

01:02:26.35
Linz
I really think it is. And I want to believe in the Fresno Nightcrawler, but I honestly think it's two deer that are just moving really strangely. And I've sent you two videos over, Chris. So it's two deer fighting in the daytime.

01:02:39.07
Linz
so you can kind of see two deer fighting in the nighttime. But I think you're already like sort of on board with it, right?

01:02:44.76
Christopher Santos
Yeah, no, totally. And I just watched that deer footage and it definitely, however, it it does look a bit sloppy, that.

01:02:52.22
Linz
Yeah, but if they, I think these ones were locked maybe.

01:02:52.29
Christopher Santos
So it's a bit different from, yeah.

01:02:55.50
Linz
And that's why it was so weird looking because they were really stuck. And like Sean found a dead deer. So i I imagine that's the deer that didn't make it. Like in his video.

01:03:05.45
Christopher Santos
Yes, that that is a very, very key bit of evidence.

01:03:11.21
Linz
Yeah, so, yeah, okay, the last thing I have here, well, kind of the last thing, is this is a video from a YouTuber who is really popular, everyone probably knows, Captain Disillusion.

01:03:23.64
Linz
So he made a video under three minutes, which is unheard of for a YouTuber, to be honest, where he successfully made his own Nightcrawler video.

01:03:34.10
Linz
So let's watch this together, Chris, and you can tell the listeners what's going on. All right.

01:03:38.92
Christopher Santos
Sure. Man, it has been so long since I've seen this guy.

01:03:42.46
Linz
Yeah, I know. right. Three, two, one. Pow.

01:03:52.56
Linz
ill Legit.

01:03:53.69
Christopher Santos
wow

01:03:58.03
Linz
Okay.

01:04:00.33
Christopher Santos
Wow, it's been a long time since I've seen a video by him.

01:04:03.01
Linz
Right. And also, I feel like he really believed it was animated, which is quite interesting. Like when you live out in the countryside, I feel like it's kind of, you know, that it's organic.

01:04:10.28
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:04:17.61
Linz
It's just weird. Like it's not what you'd expect. It's like just two animals, you know, but like in my opinion, this is not confirmed, you know, but I think it is. But he was like, oh, it's definitely animated.

01:04:29.24
Linz
But I do love what he did with the watermelon. Like he showed that how it could easily be done, which I feel like the Yosemite thing, it could be sort of animated digitally.

01:04:34.92
Christopher Santos
Mm-hmm.

01:04:39.91
Linz
But I also feel like it could just be like a theatrical thing. Not everything is just sort of digitally done. You can digitally do pretty much anything within reason, especially when it's a copy of a copy of a copy and you don't have the original to see it's been edited.

01:04:55.03
Linz
But yeah, I genuinely believe that like Jose and Sean, like they just caught like a natural weird looking thing, Yosemite write-off.

01:05:06.17
Linz
But like, it's it's quite interesting, isn't it? How this guy was like, it's digital. It's definitely digitally done.

01:05:11.94
Christopher Santos
Yeah, well, I mean, he yeah yeah he's very into that type of stuff, so maybe he leans into that more.

01:05:12.67
Linz
It can be.

01:05:16.87
Linz
Yeah.

01:05:18.76
Christopher Santos
But that's another option. You know, it could it could be like digitally altered. And because, as he points out, it's the copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of of copy a copy of a copy.

01:05:29.92
Linz
Yeah.

01:05:30.68
Christopher Santos
it then become, you know, you that's a way to blur the edges of things and really kind of hide what you've done.

01:05:35.16
Linz
Yeah.

01:05:36.79
Christopher Santos
So yeah, I think I'm going to have to side with that this is either animal or hoax.

01:05:45.41
Linz
Yeah, I mean, i hate to debunk such a legendary cryptid slash alien because I love it. I love the character. I love like all of the different interpretations people do of it artistically.

01:06:00.30
Linz
i love the merch. I want a Fresno Nightcrawler plushie. and just think it's so funny. I love the fact that eyes have never been seen on the Fresno Nightcrawler, but people just went... eyes it's sort of like a ghost like ghost pants right it's a scary pants but they're not so scary they look very sweet but i hate to debunk it but i think we can we can debunk it and close this this file chris we can

01:06:11.43
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:06:14.51
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:06:25.40
Christopher Santos
Yeah, I think can. We can. we can

01:06:29.86
Linz
Yeah. I mean, I'd love them to be real because they're so cute and they go on midnight walks with their sons. But I don't think they're real. People have had like different, there's been like different proposed theories. Like, of course, the crane slash stork.

01:06:46.94
Linz
Isn't it always a crane slash stork slash owl slash bird?

01:06:48.95
Christopher Santos
Well, I was going to say either that or an owl.

01:06:52.18
Linz
Yeah, of it's always some weird bird. They are weird, but like they always get blamed for alien stuff. Deophyte, which I think is true. Aliens, no. a Fabric on a string? I don't think so.

01:07:04.10
Linz
Maybe for Yosemite, fabric, like it's either theatrical or digital. I don't know. I don't think that's organic in any way. But I think we can debunk it, Chris.

01:07:15.38
Linz
As much as I don't want to we have to. I know we've left some like previous cases that were ridiculous, like sort of open. But this is just to me, it's two deers, right?

01:07:26.80
Linz
It's two deers fighting with ad footage quality.

01:07:27.27
Christopher Santos
it it

01:07:30.64
Christopher Santos
It does seem that way. Yes. yes

01:07:34.19
Linz
Yeah. Yeah. So I wanted to close out this episode by just asking you. okay so the Fresno Nightcrawlers are considered to just be scary ghost pants.

01:07:47.95
Linz
I don't think they're scary. So I was going to ask you, what, in your opinion, is the scariest pair of pants in history?

01:07:58.27
Christopher Santos
uh depending on who's wearing them crotchless

01:08:01.91
Linz
Who would have to be wearing them to make them the scariest?

01:08:05.28
Christopher Santos
uh good question

01:08:10.99
Linz
you know I know I'm putting you on the spot. But while you think about it, I have... Okay, this is my... I have two sort of... two things to list here for you. So the first one is these. One second, I just have to find the image.

01:08:32.11
Linz
Oh, no. Oh, it's in downloads. Okay. Okay, the first entry for me is, these are a replica, so don't get too scared.

01:08:43.36
Linz
The Icelandic necropants, aka corpse breaches, aka dead man's pantaloons.

01:08:51.82
Christopher Santos
Oh.

01:08:53.15
Linz
Describe what you're seeing to the listener.

01:08:53.51
Christopher Santos
Is this skin?

01:08:58.06
Linz
Open it and zoom.

01:08:58.10
Christopher Santos
so

01:09:00.94
Linz
Describe what you see. The Icelandic necropants.

01:09:04.37
Christopher Santos
So basically this is the top layer of skin that's either very moldy or very hairy. I'm not sure which one. And prominently prominently

01:09:13.67
Linz
Hairy.

01:09:18.18
Christopher Santos
very prominently displays peen.

01:09:22.55
Linz
yeah So this is a replica. Some say it's folklore. Some say it's cited in different sources. So this is it's in a museum in Iceland. it's It's the necropans and it's basically like someone skinned a man from the toes to the belly button.

01:09:38.62
Linz
It's literally just the skin of a human preserved. So like Chris said, it's hairy legs and the pen 15, let's say.

01:09:48.13
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:09:49.57
Linz
And my second and third scariest pants is a pair of pants worn by my ex-boyfriend Ed after he decided to become a cross punk. Absolutely heinous.

01:10:01.10
Linz
And probably Gigi Allen's pants weren't great.

01:10:06.100
Christopher Santos
Yeah, know.

01:10:08.97
Linz
So listeners, if you could send in your scariest examples of the scariest pants to ever exist.

01:10:14.100
Christopher Santos
I'm glad he said examples and didn't just say, send in your scariest pants.

01:10:17.73
Linz
Don't send your pants. Don't send your soiled pantyloons to us, please. Thank you. Yes.

01:10:25.82
Christopher Santos
You should be selling those for money on OnlyFans.

01:10:28.47
Linz
Yes, exactly. So yeah, Chris, we may have gone a bit off the rails here and there in this episode, which...

01:10:35.21
Christopher Santos
Oh no, i think I think we were firmly on the rails.

01:10:38.96
Linz
Which I'm going to leave in, let's be honest. But yeah, that was the Fresno Nightcrawlers plus extras.

01:10:55.96
Christopher Santos
ah

01:10:56.95
Linz
Div and Doven into it.

01:10:57.30
Christopher Santos
It's... I've never dwarven into it. i have never looked that deep into the Fresno Nightcrawlers, if I'm honest. So this has been illuminating.

01:11:08.85
Christopher Santos
and And I did not think we'd end up with potentially CGI fighting deer at the end.

01:11:09.14
Linz
Yes.

01:11:14.82
Linz
I love this case. It's so fun and I'm definitely getting a Fresno Nightcrawler plushie for my collection of weird shit that I have. Partly thanks to you.

01:11:24.68
Christopher Santos
Well, I would like to make a request. If we get any more merch, can we please just get black t-shirt that has white letters across the chest that just says, our asphalt is gray.

01:11:36.92
Linz
Oh my gosh, yes. We definitely need to have new merch. I think we should, we'll we'll definitely design new merch. Oh, we'll pay like an artist to do some and we'll put it in our shop and then you guys can buy it if you so wish.

01:11:50.34
Linz
But yeah, this year we definitely need new merch. hundred percent

01:11:52.88
Christopher Santos
That would be good.

01:11:53.43
Linz
100%.

01:11:53.60
Christopher Santos
That would be good.

01:11:54.10
Linz
That's one of them. Our asphalt is great.

01:11:58.68
Christopher Santos
Our asphalt is gray.

01:12:03.37
Linz
If you have any suggestions from quotes from like previous episodes of what you would like on a t-shirt or a sticker or what what have you, just let us know. And if you have any ideas for artwork as well, just DM us or whatever. Contact us in any way you can.

01:12:19.07
Christopher Santos
Let us know.

01:12:19.46
Linz
Not any way you can, but in the available ways.

01:12:22.63
Christopher Santos
And if you're an artist and want to make some, let us know as well.

01:12:22.85
Linz
should

01:12:25.60
Linz
Yes, we will give you money to design our new, I guess not logos, but maybe we could do with 2025 logo actually.

01:12:34.72
Christopher Santos
Yes.

01:12:34.80
Linz
I do love our current X-Files one. It's so good. But yeah, if like reach out and we'll look at your look at your portfolio. And if we like it, we'll we will pay you to do a logo for us.

01:12:48.07
Christopher Santos
Yes.

01:12:48.14
Linz
Or whatever it may be.

01:12:51.22
Linz
But yeah, that's it, Chris.

01:12:52.46
Christopher Santos
yes

01:12:52.47
Linz
That's the whole Fresno Nightcrawler's tale.

01:12:56.37
Christopher Santos
Thank you so much for for enlightening us, Linz. And join us next time when I will be cobbling together a story for you.

01:13:08.27
Linz
Cobbling together. Sneakere.

01:13:09.42
Christopher Santos
I'll be cobbling together a story for you, Governor.

01:13:12.26
Linz
Sneakere.

01:13:17.02
Linz
Okay, thanks everybody and thanks Chris for listening to this. This was delightful. We should do evenings again.

01:13:24.22
Christopher Santos
Definitely. Excellent.

01:13:26.30
Linz
Okay, bye.

01:13:27.52
Christopher Santos
Take care. Bye.

01:13:28.100
Linz
yeah