Pokemon's Satanic Panic

What if your child brought something home from school… and it wasn’t a cold, wasn’t a detention slip… but a pocket-sized portal to the underworld? Bright colours. Catchy theme song. Creatures evolving before your very eyes. The playground is chanting. The Game Boy is glowing. The cards are being traded like contraband. What do you do? If you answered “check for pentagrams in the instruction manual”, then you might just be onto something...

Join Linz and Chris  as they travel back to 1999, when Pokémon ruled the schoolyard, and somewhere — somehow — certain very concerned adults decided Pikachu was in league with Beelzebub.

On Pokémon’s 30th anniversary today, we dig into the moral panic that accused adorable pocket monsters of corrupting children through evolution, occult symbolism, Japanese culture, and the unspeakable horror of trading cards.

Transcript

00:00:42.06
Christopher Santos
Hello everybody out there in dystopian simulation radio land. My name is Chris and together we fight crime.

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Linz
And I'm Linz.

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Linz
Yeah. What kind of crimes?

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Christopher Santos
Like Epstein Island stuff?

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Linz
Do we?

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Christopher Santos
I mean I think that's a pretty good crime to fight.

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Linz
Yeah. Well, we've we've probably mentioned it once or twice. I'm not sure we were fighting it. We don't like it, but I'm not sure we're actively on the island

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Christopher Santos
No, we're officially coming out and saying that we are not fans of the Epstein Island.

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Linz
We don't like that.

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Christopher Santos
No, don't like that stuff.

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Linz
No.

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Christopher Santos
Get away from us. go stuff stop Stop offering the paid trips, Prince Andrew.

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Linz
We'll punch it.

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Christopher Santos
Go away.

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Linz
Oh, God. He's got nabbed, didn't he Finally.

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Christopher Santos
Oh, he's got nabbed big time.

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Linz
Bye-bye.

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Christopher Santos
Oh.

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Linz
Anyways, that was a bit dark to jump into first.

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Christopher Santos
Yeah, yeah. Fair enough. Right. Okay, then. So let's get into things. So, Linz, are you doing?

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Linz
Well, I'm not going to pretend that we didn't have like a 20 minute conversation before we hit record, but I'm doing all right. I've got a massive headache and I'm feeling a bit like loopy right now. So this could be a good episode. How are you, Chris?

00:02:05.54
Christopher Santos
Yeah, I'm fine. I'm just i just busy, busy, busy boy and just getting ready. i guess probably as good a time to tell anybody who doesn't know getting ready.

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Linz
Getting ready for what?

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Christopher Santos
I've got another another child on the way.

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Linz
On the way.

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Christopher Santos
near Nearly like banging at the door practically.

00:02:27.47
Linz
It's almost here. Yay!

00:02:29.32
Christopher Santos
almost here yay thank you very much so we are it's it's like trying to get you know everything balanced all of that stuff you know it's without getting into all of it it's a lot more uh although it doesn't seem it at the time the first pregnancy is a lot more like oh wow

00:02:31.29
Linz
Congrats.

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Christopher Santos
pregnancy we can oh wow did did it kick oh wow oh wow it now it's just like great and i know it's kicked that's brilliant i'm trying to cook the food i'm trying to get the i'm trying to get the one the other one down from the ceiling and i'm trying to bathe it at the same time so yeah

00:03:06.12
Linz
Well, to every other second child out there, now we know.

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Christopher Santos
yeah it's a it is a balancing

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Linz
That explains everything. Your child's going to grow up and hear that you didn't give a shit this time.

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Christopher Santos
i think I think not give the shit is a is a stretch, but all I'll say is blame your brother. blame Blame your brother? Blame your brother?

00:03:32.42
Linz
Blame your blah blah.

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Christopher Santos
Brian, but bronca donk.

00:03:39.01
Linz
Remember when we did that episode on that seal that could speak? And that's basically how it spoke.

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Christopher Santos
Yeah, the entire episode was leading up to the big reveal of you playing the seal speaking and it was just laughable.

00:03:56.71
Linz
That was a good one. That was such a good one.

00:03:58.54
Christopher Santos
Very good. Check it out in the archives, everybody, please.

00:03:59.98
Linz
oh

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Linz
God knows what the sound quality of that is like, but it is such a funny episode.

00:04:07.43
Christopher Santos
Yes. Oakley, doakley then. Well, let's let's just roll on through.

00:04:12.04
Linz
Oh, Gilly Dogey, you're just going to move past that.

00:04:13.83
Christopher Santos
Yeah, let's just move on past those old sound quality issues from when we had microphones from Amazon.

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Linz
What's going on there?

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Linz
Yours was gold and used to, what did used to call it? C-3PO's wang. Okay.

00:04:26.12
Christopher Santos
It was goldenrod, I'll have you know.

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Linz
golden wrong I guessed it on someone else's podcast with that mic and now I feel really embarrassed.

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Christopher Santos
oh

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Christopher Santos
Yes, we we've come a long way, baby, a long way.

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Linz
A long way.

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Christopher Santos
But we wouldn't have come this far without...

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Linz
nice segue.

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Christopher Santos
Fill in the blank.

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Linz
The Patreons.

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Christopher Santos
The Patreons! Yes. Thank you so much to all of our Patreons. I'm going to try and say something else apart from your helpers keep the lights on.

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Linz
Yeah, that you do.

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Christopher Santos
Yeah.

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Linz
You really do.

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Christopher Santos
Yeah, you do. We really appreciate it. we We get that it's a much more of a just like support of your love of our effort on the podcast more than anything else. So we just want to say that we love you very much and thank you so much for your support. So thank you to Tarek Samhain.

00:05:18.83
Christopher Santos
Samhain? Samhan. <unk>

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Linz
my god, that's so cool. but Someone. Someone.

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Linz
but

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Christopher Santos
Tony Taylor, Ethan Cafflin, Michael Conliffe, Ehork, Chris Lebowski,

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Christopher Santos
Patrice, ordained sinister minister, graves, rift cult, cripply crab, cash or card, brodius, creepy paper, sorry, creepy paper, Jamie Sook, Lindsay Keller, Linz Gibson, or Gibbon, depending on the day, Dre Kalfig, Michael M, the M stands for amazing,

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Linz
Every time.

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Linz
feel so stupid.

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Christopher Santos
Big Wes,

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Linz
thought you said big wench.

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Christopher Santos
bigquet Riaz, the Toxic Adventure, Pip-a-penguin, and Philip Hoffman.

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Linz
you pre-write that? Was that off the dome?

00:06:16.25
Christopher Santos
that that is That is off the top of my head. There is there is not a lot up there.

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Linz
Where the fuck did you get up a penguin from?

00:06:27.61
Christopher Santos
I have not diagnosed it. I'm not diagnosed, but I might have something. But we shall see. Right. Okay.

00:06:35.52
Linz
Oh, I'm sweating.

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Christopher Santos
So you can check out... Your

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Christopher Santos
knee's weak.

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Christopher Santos
Palms sweating.

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Linz
Alms are heavy.

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Christopher Santos
The arms are heavy.

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Linz
I'm sweating.

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Christopher Santos
po Palms sweating, isn't it?

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Linz
Oh, yeah, palms are sweaty.

00:06:52.51
Christopher Santos
yeah but My arms are sweating.

00:06:57.73
Christopher Santos
Oh, it's going to one of those episodes, isn't it?

00:07:02.62
Christopher Santos
Okay. So everybody, if you'd like to check out the images from this episode, you can go to Instagram.com forward slash dystopian simulation radio.

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Linz
What

00:07:13.40
Linz
are you talking about? Instagram.com It's Instagram D.S.

00:07:18.26
Christopher Santos
Okay.

00:07:20.86
Linz
Radio Instagram.com

00:07:23.07
Christopher Santos
okay

00:07:28.11
Christopher Santos
Is that not? Is that not what you're coming to? Okay.

00:07:29.87
Linz
Patreon.com

00:07:30.18
Christopher Santos
so of so I'm sorry. Our handle is at d.s.radio on the Instagrams. But if you would like to join our Patreon, that is patreon.com forward slash dystopian simulation radio.

00:07:44.54
Linz
Yes.

00:07:45.22
Christopher Santos
Yes.

00:07:46.18
Linz
Got there in the end.

00:07:47.81
Christopher Santos
Okay, so Linz, I'd like you to to think back to, oh, about 1999, 2000.

00:07:51.42
Linz
Yeah.

00:07:56.07
Christopher Santos
Describe it to me. Mm-hmm. We did. Mm-hmm. describe it to me

00:08:01.09
Linz
I don't remember. It was very colourful. We probably had the Spice Girls by that point.

00:08:08.57
Christopher Santos
yes

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Linz
And Tamagotchi's.

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Christopher Santos
did

00:08:13.22
Linz
Pokemon uh all the good stuff it was just better to be honest yes

00:08:19.18
Christopher Santos
Okay. Pokemon, you say. So tell me a little bit about Pokemon, Lens. I know that you have been described as a Pokemon fan.

00:08:30.89
Linz
yes oh my gosh

00:08:32.42
Christopher Santos
What does it mean to you?

00:08:34.76
Linz
Pretty much everything, to be honest. I was playing it last night, the Pokemon... Was it A to Z or Z to A? I don't remember. Zed. Oh, God. I don't know what it's called.

00:08:44.97
Christopher Santos
Mm-hmm.

00:08:45.09
Linz
The new game. was playing it last night. It's in France for some reason.

00:08:49.70
Christopher Santos
oh

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Linz
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound that disgusted, but...

00:08:52.84
Christopher Santos
now Now who's got it against the French, eh, Lindsay?

00:08:56.33
Linz
No, but like, i think it's not as good as the other ones, but I still play them all.

00:09:01.30
Christopher Santos
Pikachu used baguette!

00:09:04.53
Linz
Pikachu, use a Tendershook. Yeah, it's just not the same. No, but it's fun. But I think they've been a bit lazy with the buildings.

00:09:14.55
Linz
Like, you can't really go in and out of them like you can in the...

00:09:16.62
Christopher Santos
Oh.

00:09:17.46
Linz
previous ones but I mean I still enjoy them I'm just the classic Pokemon fan that complains every time about every new game but still buys it and plays it all the way through so and I'm still doing that now as an adult so you know

00:09:26.27
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:09:30.65
Christopher Santos
So you never really fell off the Pokemon bandwagon. You were always playing the games.

00:09:35.86
Linz
I did for like a couple of years when I was like in my mega heavy punk rock phase and then straight back into it so yeah kind of been a fan the whole time and you have too i know you don't play the games don't what's the last pokemon game you played stadium or whatever it's called what was it called what stadium what's the one where it's like what was it on was on a different console

00:09:54.96
Christopher Santos
that's an interesting question stadium

00:10:05.49
Christopher Santos
pokemon stadium what like at the n64 game yes i i had that in french actually i don't know but for some reason i had a french copy of the game and it was it was hilarious

00:10:07.83
Linz
yeah is that the last one you played

00:10:13.37
Linz
What is this weird link? yeah

00:10:22.44
Linz
That's actually so funny. Why?

00:10:25.89
Christopher Santos
A friend of mine brought me a copy back from France.

00:10:29.53
Linz
And you couldn't change the language?

00:10:31.03
Christopher Santos
No, no, it was the french French language edition. Remember, you couldn't have multiple languages on on a cartridge back then.

00:10:36.76
Linz
Oh, God, yeah, you might be right.

00:10:38.14
Christopher Santos
Yeah, it was just like hardlock to French. So it had that like announcer on it and it would just be like, Le Pikachu!

00:10:47.26
Christopher Santos
Bosteletning!

00:10:51.00
Christopher Santos
it was it was it It was very good. it was very good. no i mean I mean, I played... yeah i think the last one that I actively played would have been Gold.

00:11:02.65
Linz
But you did try, right? You had you you had to switch light for like five days.

00:11:06.72
Christopher Santos
I know I've still got one. I still have one.

00:11:09.86
Linz
oh I thought you sold it.

00:11:10.94
Christopher Santos
No, no, no, I didn't sell it. I use it a fair amount, actually.

00:11:13.19
Linz
yeah.

00:11:15.02
Christopher Santos
I played, but I was basically playing Mother 2 for the longest time. But no, i have i may I may have another Pokemon game, but I'll tell you about that later.

00:11:26.01
Linz
Alright, well i'll I'll recommend the best one.

00:11:26.66
Christopher Santos
Okay.

00:11:28.21
Linz
I think I already have, but anyways.

00:11:29.83
Christopher Santos
Okay. Well, we'll see if we we sync up on that.

00:11:32.65
Linz
Okay.

00:11:33.19
Christopher Santos
Okay. So Pokemon. Yes. it was a sensation at the turn of the millennium the anime was on sky one in the uk anyway every day at eight or nine every weekend leading up to doleys we have smackdown a complete heaven yeah the trading card game was in schoolyards everywhere did you did you ever dabble in that lens

00:11:37.67
Linz
Yes.

00:11:53.99
Linz
Oh god, wasn't it?

00:12:00.65
Linz
Oh yeah, yeah, full binders. I cracked a pack two weeks ago, just for nostalgia.

00:12:06.30
Christopher Santos
Yeah, i had I had like a box full them when I was a kid. I remember like, a yeah, I don't know.

00:12:11.57
Linz
I've still got them.

00:12:11.83
Christopher Santos
I wish I still had them.

00:12:13.50
Linz
I do.

00:12:14.08
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:12:15.06
Linz
Mm-hmm.

00:12:15.81
Christopher Santos
Go for a hell of a lot of money now.

00:12:17.70
Linz
yep

00:12:18.62
Christopher Santos
The Game Boy game was the hit video game of the time. And that is saying something in the era of PlayStation Nintendo 64. Lens, red or blue?

00:12:30.18
Linz
Yep. Blue.

00:12:31.07
Christopher Santos
Three, two, one.

00:12:32.50
Linz
Oh.

00:12:32.87
Christopher Santos
Blue.

00:12:33.44
Linz
Blue!

00:12:34.84
Christopher Santos
hell yeah. Only the lame wads had red.

00:12:39.23
Linz
Yeah, I know, but like, why do we both think that? Like, I had friends who had red, and I was always like, oh god, red.

00:12:46.40
Christopher Santos
Yeah, i think red was I think red was the one that was supposed to be the cool one. And maybe the default one, because the the main character was called red.

00:12:57.06
Linz
I always forget that.

00:12:58.18
Christopher Santos
Yeah, because it's like because obviously that came before the anime, so it wasn't called Ash or Satoshi.

00:12:59.26
Linz
Yes.

00:13:05.04
Linz
Mm-hmm. Yeah. yeah

00:13:06.50
Christopher Santos
uh so i mean i like you're right i i was so i was playing it for a while and then i really didn't i never had a game boy advance or anything so i missed all of that era i got i got that switch light and i started playing let's go pikachu which initially i absolutely loved then i hated the fact that they rammed pokemon go catching in there instead of like just normal like battling

00:13:31.47
Linz
Uh, I think I got Eevee. Yeah, I got the Eevee one. And it's okay, but I don't need to replay the Game Boy games. do you know what I mean?

00:13:41.11
Christopher Santos
i mean i kind of but i mean i really wanted to i just wanted oh but yeah so anyway i got rid of that and i've i just got pokemon sword uh

00:13:43.80
Linz
Yeah, yeah, I do remember that, yeah.

00:13:51.51
Linz
Oh, I like that one. It's actually funny and very fun. You're gonna enjoy it

00:13:54.67
Christopher Santos
because i was i was feeling the itch again but i've only played about five minutes of it so yeah

00:13:59.58
Linz
Oh, I liked that one. Yeah.

00:14:01.59
Christopher Santos
So yes, i um'm um'm I'm trying to get a little bit back into it for a few reasons. I'll cover later on. But this year, yes, that's one of that's one of the reasons.

00:14:07.29
Linz
Indoctrinating the children, I believe.

00:14:11.86
Christopher Santos
This year, Pokemon turns 30 years old, which is impossible as we're only 21. Oh, God.

00:14:19.10
Linz
like I know, right? Like, what the hell?

00:14:20.34
Christopher Santos
I'm so old.

00:14:21.82
Linz
Weird simulations, eh?

00:14:24.44
Christopher Santos
so But did you know, Linds, that there is a darker side to Pokemon?

00:14:32.55
Linz
Are talking about Team Rocket or Giovanni the Mob Boss?

00:14:35.88
Christopher Santos
Even darker.

00:14:36.06
Linz
There's a lot of dark sides.

00:14:37.38
Christopher Santos
eat

00:14:37.63
Linz
Oh, I can't.

00:14:38.12
Christopher Santos
One that has it in league with Beelzebub.

00:14:39.07
Linz
No.

00:14:43.06
Linz
Okay.

00:14:43.62
Christopher Santos
Well, let us find out today. And DSR maniacs out there, don't you worry. This is very much still dystopian simulation radio. And there are some wild stories ahead of us today. So don't you touch that dial.

00:14:56.58
Linz
Whatever that means. I'm just going to chug some water. Okay.

00:15:02.56
Christopher Santos
Oh, wow, that is a chug.

00:15:05.28
Linz
Have to. All right.

00:15:06.76
Christopher Santos
Okay, well welcome back, chugs.

00:15:08.52
Linz
Thank you. Don't call me chugs.

00:15:12.10
Christopher Santos
That's your new nickname now, chugs.

00:15:14.50
Linz
Big chuggis.

00:15:17.99
Christopher Santos
Wow, that's that's a heavy 2020 reference right there.

00:15:21.28
Linz
Never left.

00:15:22.68
Christopher Santos
Okay, so first, Linz, we are recording this today on February 24th, and that is the day that Agent Dale Cooper first entered the town of Twin Peaks in the show of the same name. And only on this podcast would be mashup Twin Peaks and Pokemon.

00:15:38.17
Christopher Santos
But get ready for a window into what goes into my on in my mind like you've never had before.

00:15:45.59
Linz
Oh no. no

00:15:54.79
Christopher Santos
Officer Jenny, 7.30am, February 24th. Entering the town of Pallet Town, five miles south of Viridian Forest, twelve miles west of the Indigo Plateau.

00:16:05.82
Christopher Santos
Never seen so many Pidgey in my life. As Professor Oak would say, I'd rather be here than in Lavender Town. It's 54 degrees on a slightly overcast day.

00:16:16.73
Christopher Santos
The Poconaf said rain. If you could get paid that kind of money for being wrong 60% of the time, it would beat Catalog and Caterpie. Pokédex count is 79 caught, 345 seen.

00:16:30.94
Christopher Santos
Pokéball pouch is on reserve. I'm riding on fumes here. I'll need to tank up at the next Pokémart. When I get into town, reminded to tell you what that runs.

00:16:42.36
Christopher Santos
Lunch was 631 Poké Dollars at the Route 1 Cafe near Viridian. That was lightly seared Magikarp sandwich on a whole wheat and a slice of Jigglypuff pie.

00:16:55.64
Christopher Santos
Pink, perfectly round, and suspiciously hypnotic. And a cup of coffee. Damn good food. Officer Jenny, if you ever got up this way, that Jigglypuff pie is worth buying a bike for.

00:17:10.30
Christopher Santos
Did you get...

00:17:10.43
Linz
You monster.

00:17:13.02
Christopher Santos
Did you get any of that, or was it too loud?

00:17:16.35
Linz
It was absolutely deafening, but I managed to hear through it with my autism powers.

00:17:22.18
Christopher Santos
Right, I wonder if I should do that again when it turned down. Hold on.

00:17:25.25
Linz
Oh, you definitely need to turn that down.

00:17:27.55
Christopher Santos
Yeah, I was like, oh god.

00:17:33.70
Christopher Santos
Shut up, you. Shut up, you. Oh no, the deck's gone wrong. Okay. We'll do that again. I was hoping to have a and and light edit version of this, but it looks like not.

00:17:47.30
Linz
Do that again.

00:17:48.36
Christopher Santos
Okay.

00:17:48.46
Linz
Okay.

00:17:54.07
Christopher Santos
Officer Jenny, 7.30 a.m., February 24th. Entering the town of Pallet Town, five miles south of the Viridian Forest, 12 miles west of the Indigo Plateau.

00:18:05.72
Christopher Santos
Never seen so many Pidgey in my life. As Professor Oak would say, I'd rather be here than in Lavender Town. It's 54 degrees on a slightly overcast day.

00:18:16.63
Christopher Santos
The PokéNav said rain. If you could get paid that kind of money for being wrong 60% of the time, it would beat cataloging Caterpie. Pokédex count is 79 caught, 345 seen.

00:18:30.48
Christopher Santos
Pokéball pouch is on reserve. I'm riding on fumes here. I'll need to tank up at the next Pokémon when I get into town. Remind me to tell you how much that runs. Lunch was $631 at the Route 1 Cafe near Viridian. That was lightly seared Magikarp sandwich on a whole wheat, a slice of Jigglypuff pie, pink, perfectly round, suspiciously hypnotic, and a cup of coffee.

00:18:57.34
Christopher Santos
Damn good food. Officer Jenny, if you ever get up this way, that Jigglypuff pie is worth buying a bike for.

00:19:08.81
Christopher Santos
I won't tell you how long it took me to put that together.

00:19:11.60
Linz
Beautiful. Seriously. But eating a Magikarp? You monster.

00:19:18.90
Christopher Santos
Truth is, it would kill me because I'd be allergic.

00:19:21.77
Linz
Ha ha ha ha.

00:19:22.44
Christopher Santos
ha

00:19:23.44
Linz
Yeah.

00:19:23.43
Christopher Santos
So, Linz, let's go back to the beginning. Set the scene just a little bit. Pokemon was dreamt up by Satoshi Tajiri, who, despite his name, never spat green mist into anybody's eyes.

00:19:38.44
Christopher Santos
No, Satoshi was an avid bug collector as a child, which might sound kind of out there, but it is actually a typical Japanese children's pastime. Generally, beetles or mantis are caught by kids.

00:19:51.85
Christopher Santos
Some kids even indulge in pitting beetles against each other, and you can kind of see where the genesis of Pokemon came from, collecting bugs and battling them against each other. Satoshi, as a child, wanted to become an entomologist. And if you don't know what that is, his childhood nickname of Dr. Bug should explain it.

00:20:13.25
Linz
That's too cool.

00:20:14.64
Christopher Santos
Too cool for school. Flash forward a few years, and if he thought he couldn't get any cooler, Satoshi started his own video game fanzine, focusing on the arcade games of the 1980s.

00:20:25.84
Christopher Santos
Any idea what that might have been called, Lins?

00:20:29.86
Linz
it's Japanese.

00:20:31.50
Christopher Santos
It is, but it's an English title. Yeah,

00:20:33.89
Linz
Nineties games.

00:20:37.19
Christopher Santos
yeah the 80s arcades, yeah.

00:20:38.38
Linz
Oh, eighties. Eighties. Hmm. Damn it, I can't think of anything funny. I was going to be like, zine invader?

00:20:48.51
Christopher Santos
It's not bad, it's not bad, but you are going to kick yourself when I tell you what it is.

00:20:53.03
Linz
What?

00:20:53.63
Christopher Santos
It was called Game Freak.

00:20:57.05
Linz
Oh, god damn it. Kicking myself.

00:21:00.35
Christopher Santos
Time goes on and he begins to develop an interest in developing games himself. And once he laid his eyes on a little thing called the Nintendo Game Boy, he began to think about the connectivity aspect. That was what sparked his interest in it and how cool it would be to trade something back and forth between consoles.

00:21:17.95
Christopher Santos
Thinking back to his childhood, Dr. Bug had an idea, a multi-billion dollar idea. So Pocket Monsters was born, and in 1996, Pokemon Red and Green, yes, green, not blue yet, was released in Japan.

00:21:35.20
Christopher Santos
The anime soon followed, and in 1998, both the games, now Red and Blue, and the anime, don't forget the trading cards, were imported to the West, which is when we first laid eyes upon them.

00:21:48.10
Christopher Santos
In every schoolyard all over the world, every child knew their Slowpoke from their Slowbro. Everyone had their custom six starter Pokemon that they challenged gyms with up and down Kanto on their Game Boy, and their parents and teachers were quick to notice.

00:22:05.31
Christopher Santos
And that's when certain voices started speaking up against Pokemon. Linz, was Pokemon banned at your school in any form?

00:22:15.99
Linz
no, i don't think so. I don't think anything was actually. Although I'm getting the feeling you're going to say that somebody out there thought they were demonic in some kind of sense.

00:22:30.62
Christopher Santos
Not just somebody, a lot of people thought that they were demonic.

00:22:33.24
Linz
Really? i don't remember that.

00:22:35.71
Christopher Santos
Yeah, there was a whole

00:22:36.73
Linz
I know they're monsters, but...

00:22:38.91
Christopher Santos
have there was a whole movement against them. Pokemon cards were banned at my school for a while.

00:22:43.100
Linz
Were they?

00:22:44.61
Christopher Santos
Yeah. There's a whole black market starting up on the playground for them.

00:22:46.50
Linz
oh

00:22:51.59
Linz
Maybe they were. I just can't remember. I can't remember much my childhood.

00:22:53.60
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:22:55.36
Linz
Mm-hmm.

00:22:55.86
Christopher Santos
Wow. But Linz. You must have been horrified to hear that Pokémon was not as sweet and adorable as it seemed, but actually the spawn of Satan himself, corrupting the very souls of the sweet children lured in by its Pikachus and its Charizards.

00:23:20.80
Linz
I didn't have time for that kind of stuff. I was already a Pokemon master and you know that.

00:23:25.97
Christopher Santos
Hmm.

00:23:26.83
Linz
Officially, badging everything.

00:23:28.77
Christopher Santos
Well, well

00:23:29.22
Linz
IRL. Don't you know that?

00:23:32.03
Christopher Santos
I know, I know, just like just like I'm an official Mr. Motivator.

00:23:36.94
Linz
beat the editor of Nintendo Magazine, Chris.

00:23:40.04
Christopher Santos
Wow, oh, okay, okay. This is some some pretty good chops right there, okay.

00:23:45.23
Christopher Santos
But both of you are actually taking part in a satanic ritual. Did you know this?

00:23:48.92
Linz
Oh my god.

00:23:49.78
Christopher Santos
So i'm goingnna I'm going to play

00:23:50.45
Linz
That explains everything.

00:23:56.82
Linz
Oh

00:23:57.75
Christopher Santos
And just just listen to this pastor telling you all about pokemon okay?

00:24:02.27
Linz
god. Oh god no.

00:25:54.69
Christopher Santos
Okay. I'll just try and draw up our past. tabbea Linz, I can only imagine as a good Catholic, you are absolutely shocked to your core.

00:26:01.87
Linz
Yes.

00:26:07.99
Christopher Santos
Have you, Linz, have you run to confession? Are you still there? Linz?

00:26:15.67
Linz
First of all, i don't think he completely grasped what Pokemon was about.

00:26:21.79
Christopher Santos
There are these symbols, symbols of power.

00:26:27.29
Linz
What else? god he said something else I wanted to comment on but I've already forgotten. But what on earth? I do not think he's grasped what Pokemon actually is. It's just like Sorry I'm really shocked that there was just like a sermon on it.

00:26:43.75
Christopher Santos
Oh, Linz, there was not just one sermon on it. There was a whole movement against these Pokemans. Okay. You want a bit more proof? Okay, here we go. Have some more.

00:27:06.67
Christopher Santos
That's a Poliwhirl, by the way.

00:27:14.63
Christopher Santos
That's the sign of the devil.

00:27:20.93
Christopher Santos
Pikachu.

00:28:20.32
Christopher Santos
Okay, I'll stop it there because then he just starts talking about Misty and the fact that she wears a crop top for about five minutes.

00:28:27.36
Linz
Wow, what a creep. I remember what I wanted to say in the first clip. I liked the part where he said that the devil takes Pokemon really seriously.

00:28:39.19
Christopher Santos
He's beaten all eight gyms.

00:28:40.87
Linz
Yeah, he takes it seriously. He's got every gym badge. Oh my gosh, but... Yeah, Mew's pose. No, Mewtwo's pose.

00:28:50.87
Linz
Pikachu's tail. And what was it? Was it Poliwhirl?

00:28:55.44
Christopher Santos
It was a polywhirl, the spiral

00:28:56.64
Linz
Poliwog, yeah.

00:29:00.85
Christopher Santos
on his on his stomach

00:29:03.38
Linz
Oh, God, these people have honestly nothing else to talk about or do, do they?

00:29:09.62
Christopher Santos
well well there might be more to it than that so i'm not i'm not saying they are correct but i think there might be a little bit more behind it you know so you know if we take them at face value pokemon is satanic luring children into satans very clutches through the power of kawaii

00:29:10.87
Linz
Oh. Uh-oh.

00:29:15.38
Linz
Okay.

00:29:35.70
Christopher Santos
So much was this and so prevalent was this. I mean, I heard this when I was a child, not people preaching it to me, but I heard discussions was almost a kind of moral panic surrounding Pokemon, not just from the church angle, but just from a general kind of society angle. Oh, our kids are all spending money on this this thing. What is it? You know? And I remember hearing a popular rumor at the time that said that Pope John Paul II had actually blessed Pokemon. Yeah.

00:30:01.51
Christopher Santos
And yeah, and I was going to get you to read that out loud for a laugh because I know how much you would have loved quoting the Pope, but he didn't actually say that in.

00:30:12.10
Linz
Yeah, I was going to say, i don't think he would bless them.

00:30:13.51
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:30:16.80
Christopher Santos
In 2000, the Vatican's newspaper, Le Zovere, Le Zovere, something, something, Romano, Ray Romano, published a generally positive article about Pokemon saying that it was based on the themes of friendship and did not contain harmful moral messages.

00:30:38.31
Linz
Yeah.

00:30:38.98
Christopher Santos
And around the same time, a Vatican spokesperson reportedly said that the game had no negative moral side effects. So, okay, what's all this about really then?

00:30:50.21
Linz
Yeah, it's like really wholesome. I mean, Brock is a bit questionable. to be honest.

00:30:56.29
Christopher Santos
yeah oh Yeah, I mean, he's just he's just a horn dog and who can blame Yeah,

00:31:01.95
Linz
Yeah, but he was way older and everyone else was a child. And he was being a horned dog.

00:31:06.79
Christopher Santos
yeah but at least he was going after like, I mean, like Nurse Joy and Officer Jenny are like old enough to like like have like careers.

00:31:13.31
Linz
Yeah, but there was there was others. but but There was other episodes where you were like,

00:31:17.12
Christopher Santos
oh god god Oh God, he was on Epstein Island, wasn't he?

00:31:20.35
Linz
He might have been. he might have flown there on the back of...

00:31:22.95
Christopher Santos
as we pick up As we pick up after last week's episode, Ash and Brock are on the way to Epstein Island.

00:31:30.18
Linz
Oh my god. We can't even joke about that. It's horrific.

00:31:33.99
Christopher Santos
it is It is absolutely horrific.

00:31:35.54
Linz
It's horrible. i can't even laugh. But yeah. He might have been in the files.

00:31:40.67
Christopher Santos
yeah Oh, yeah. that That would not surprise me at all. Yeah.

00:31:45.94
Linz
He would have left a lot of nosebleed evidence, which is good.

00:31:50.40
Christopher Santos
Okay. So, what was it all about then? Really, it boils down to religious whack jobs and fear of imported culture.

00:32:00.59
Christopher Santos
For many, including myself, Pokemon was the first anime that they ever had any exposure to. don't know about yourself, Linz.

00:32:10.15
Linz
We had Sonic.

00:32:13.67
Linz
Sonic came before.

00:32:14.69
Christopher Santos
It did, but that was like an American production.

00:32:18.11
Linz
Yeah, but the games are Japanese and our cartoon was obviously a bit different. But yeah, it's not strictly anime, I guess.

00:32:25.31
Christopher Santos
it's not it's it's sailor moon would have been around yes yeah fair enough i mean there were other things out there and the dragon ball i think might be around as well but but i mean i certainly i didn't have those channels where i could watch that at that point

00:32:26.35
Linz
I'm sure there was something else, but it's Sailor Moon. Uh-huh. I saw that before Pokemon maybe.

00:32:38.07
Linz
Oh my god, Dragon Ball, yeah?

00:32:45.65
Christopher Santos
So for me, Pokemon was my first. I mean, i had no idea it was Japanese. And I look back at it now and I'm like, what?

00:32:51.41
Linz
Did you not?

00:32:51.72
Christopher Santos
had no idea.

00:32:53.17
Linz
I was totally mesmerized by it. I didn't even know what I was looking at. I just knew I loved it.

00:32:59.35
Christopher Santos
I mean, it's laughable now with how much of a staple Japanese culture has become in the West. But back in our day, Linz, certain people genuinely thought it was an Eastern corruption of Western youth.

00:33:11.64
Christopher Santos
And those are, yeah.

00:33:12.85
Linz
This is news to me. I'm sure. Yeah, that's news to me.

00:33:15.19
Christopher Santos
Well, oh I mean, this is probably best conveyed in the South Park episode, Chin Pokemon, if you've seen that.

00:33:15.89
Linz
we didn't really think about it.

00:33:21.58
Linz
Oh my God. I don't even know if I've seen that. I definitely need to watch it.

00:33:24.88
Christopher Santos
Oh yeah, I have to watch it. It's so so smart. It's so smart. So if you've been living under a rock like Linz apparently has, go and check that out. And if it makes any funnier, chin means penis.

00:33:40.57
Christopher Santos
so

00:33:41.59
Linz
Okay.

00:33:42.42
Christopher Santos
So it's not even a very clever joke. It's just literally penis Pokemon.

00:33:44.89
Linz
Oh, yeah. That explains like someone told me that, you know, when you hold a glass and you say chin chin, it's it's actually very funny.

00:33:51.55
Christopher Santos
Yes. It's very funny to Japanese people, yes.

00:33:54.59
Linz
Yeah, yeah. absolutely Yeah, that makes sense now.

00:33:57.56
Christopher Santos
But really though, Pokemon was just the latest victim of Satanic Panic. you know First, or maybe not even first, but most famously first, it was the Beatles and backmasking.

00:34:09.83
Christopher Santos
Then it was Ozzy Osbourne and backmasking. Then it was Dungeons and Dragons. Next up, Pokemon. similar Similar Japanese imports, Digimon and Yu-Gi-Oh were also subject to similar accusations, but were never on the same level of popularity as Pokemon. Harry Potter was later accused of being trying to convert children to witchcraft to suckle at Satan's teat.

00:34:35.60
Christopher Santos
I mean, what's next? La boo-boos from Lucifer.

00:34:39.15
Linz
i I genuinely was about to say diddler boo-boos get the same treatment for looking like little demons

00:34:42.93
Christopher Santos
i I'm not even going to Google it because I'm totally sure that that is a thing. And to be honest, yeah, monster energy as well.

00:34:49.04
Linz
monster energy remember that yep

00:34:52.52
Christopher Santos
Yeah, that's another one. Anything that has the word monster in it at all.

00:34:55.50
Linz
Yeah, it's crazy.

00:34:57.61
Christopher Santos
But enough about these inferior franchises, let's get back to Pokemon.

00:35:00.82
Linz
Mm-hmm.

00:35:02.48
Christopher Santos
So despite what you may think about any satanic connection to the anime, which by the way was heavily censored in the West, you've not lived until you've seen James of Team Rocket sporting Tig old bitties, let me tell you, but the anime had its own effect on children, but not one that was necessarily desired.

00:35:24.27
Linz
Oh.

00:35:24.75
Christopher Santos
In 1997, the 38th episode of the Pokemon anime aired called Computer Warrior Porygon, or something to that effect.

00:35:34.13
Linz
Yes.

00:35:34.80
Christopher Santos
yeah And in this episode, of the gang go into a digital computer world and encounter one of the odder original 151 Porygon. And if this isn't sounding particularly familiar, Linz, it's because it only aired once in Japan and never entered never entered into the rotation here in the West. And the reason for this is that the episode featured a section of flashing lights.

00:35:58.86
Christopher Santos
And those flashing lights had unintended results. So, Linz, I would like you to please read out this quote about what happened.

00:36:09.08
Linz
Okay. Oh. okay

00:36:11.03
Linz
There were multiple sequences of bright light of bright strobe lights alternating between red and blue or red and white blue. The episode's film was played at 24 frames per second, alternating colours every frame in these sequences, meaning that each colour flickered 12... 12 what?

00:36:31.45
Linz
twelve watt

00:36:32.24
Christopher Santos
Hurtz.

00:36:33.11
Linz
Oh, Hertz. At 12 Hertz. These sequences range from 0.5 4 seconds in duration, with the problematic sequence running for 4 seconds. After viewing the problematic sequence, some viewers experienced blurred vision, headaches, disney dizziness, and nausea. Some suffered seizures, blindness, convulsions, and unconsciousness. The Japanese press referred to this incident as Pokemon shock.

00:37:03.42
Linz
Gonna skip the obvious joke there. The Pokemon anime's general director said, We use red and blue flashing for all the explosions inside our cyberspace because we wanted to give the explosions an electrical feel. That set them apart from the explosion seen elsewhere in the show. And so that's why we use those colors so much in this episode.

00:37:25.69
Christopher Santos
which

00:37:25.79
Linz
Jesus Christ. I think I've seen it.

00:37:29.37
Christopher Santos
you so that the clips are out there you can you can see it online you can even go onto wikipedia and you can see the offending bit so if you've got epilepsy don't do that but and this was much very famously parodied in the simpsons episode where they go to japan yeah but the Come coming back to me.

00:37:31.77
Linz
Yeah.

00:37:44.08
Linz
Oh, remember that. Yeah, I do. It's all coming back to me now.

00:37:50.87
Christopher Santos
But the...

00:37:51.02
Linz
God damn it. Oh.

00:37:54.83
Christopher Santos
But the actual episode has never seen the light of day officially again. So, ultimately, 365 people, mainly children, of course, were taken to hospital in Japan.

00:38:07.53
Christopher Santos
The anime was immediately put on hiatus and only returned four months later. And while it did return, yeah, that's a huge, huge gap.

00:38:14.46
Linz
That's a long gap.

00:38:17.65
Linz
Whoa.

00:38:18.03
Christopher Santos
Yeah, there were some reruns that were put on of for prior episodes, but generally it was replaced with either Anpanman or Doraemon or Detective Conan in most markets.

00:38:30.34
Linz
Oh, I love them all.

00:38:31.79
Christopher Santos
Yeah. But when it did come back, it it changed broadcasting standards in Japan forever and new rules were brought in in regard to rapidly flashing colors. And there is actually now a test that that all animations have to go through for content broadcast in Japan called the Harding test, which will determine if something is in the safe range for not causing someone to go into it you know epilepsy or any kind of convulsions or seizures or if it deers into the dangerous zone so if you ever wondered if flashing was safe the answer is sometimes

00:39:06.71
Linz
Only when Chris does it in parks and such.

00:39:10.90
Christopher Santos
i don't i don't own a mac i'm kidding i'm reading my script off one

00:39:18.71
Linz
Oh my God. That was so bad. Even for you.

00:39:21.01
Christopher Santos
yeah

00:39:21.80
Linz
it's happening.

00:39:23.18
Christopher Santos
It's double dad power. Okay.

00:39:25.30
Linz
no it's happening

00:39:27.80
Christopher Santos
But you know, perhaps the biggest victim here, Linz, Porygon.

00:39:32.56
Linz
Yeah, I was about to say, did you ever have him on your team? And what were his moves?

00:39:38.71
Christopher Santos
I mean, i caught I definitely caught him because I caught all 151.

00:39:39.15
Linz
Don't remember.

00:39:42.23
Linz
Yeah, yeah.

00:39:42.14
Christopher Santos
Was there 151 the... had Mute. was there hundred and fifty one and be

00:39:46.12
Linz
There's 150, but you had to be the editor of the Nintendo magazine to get Mew.

00:39:51.19
Christopher Santos
i also had mute

00:39:52.66
Linz
You motherfucker, where did you get Mew?

00:39:53.62
Christopher Santos
it Yeah, you could game shark it.

00:39:54.58
Linz
Oh, people could chalk them, couldn't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:58.02
Christopher Santos
I mean, you still have to beat him. You still have to catch him and so on. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No togepi though.

00:40:05.05
Linz
Yeah.

00:40:07.67
Linz
Oh, yeah.

00:40:07.61
Christopher Santos
So, the so yeah, Porygon, that poor little angular pocket monster was never featured again in an anime, nor have any of its evolutions, which is some pretty, pretty harsh,

00:40:15.77
Linz
Oh.

00:40:19.31
Linz
It had an evolution.

00:40:21.01
Christopher Santos
it's got two evolutions yeah porygon two and porygon zed i believe yeah yeah they're not they're not as angular though they're more yeah but this is pretty harsh considering that it was pikachu that actually caused the flashes so uh porygon took the fall on that one never mind hey some pokemon are untouchable i guess

00:40:22.92
Linz
Like, recently.

00:40:27.13
Linz
Oh, okay. Ringing in a far-off bell.

00:40:32.54
Linz
Boo.

00:40:46.83
Christopher Santos
However, epilepsy is a minor inconvenience. for a true

00:40:50.92
Linz
Chris!

00:40:51.50
Christopher Santos
For a true controversy, for a true controversy, he I did look back at the script and go, did I write that?

00:40:53.74
Linz
What?

00:40:57.46
Linz
Oh...

00:41:00.37
Linz
What a dick.

00:41:00.33
Christopher Santos
I i did i did write that, didn't I?

00:41:02.26
Linz
I

00:41:03.72
Christopher Santos
But we have to look for a true controversy to the core of Pokemon gameplay. Lens, I have a Charmander and I want to have a Charizard. What do I need to do?

00:41:15.16
Linz
don't know. Firestone? or love Or level up?

00:41:18.69
Christopher Santos
So what process am I going through?

00:41:21.89
Linz
Is it a firestone? Or you do you just level up?

00:41:24.29
Christopher Santos
You could just level up.

00:41:26.41
Linz
Oh, you have to beat a lot of people's asses and level up, I guess.

00:41:26.69
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:41:31.11
Christopher Santos
Yeah. And then what?

00:41:31.89
Linz
Or fight wild Pokemon and kill them.

00:41:33.29
Christopher Santos
Yeah. Then what happens?

00:41:37.00
Linz
Then you just evolve. like You can choose to not evolve, I guess. You can press B.

00:41:41.85
Christopher Santos
Heathen!

00:41:43.55
Linz
Huh?

00:41:43.47
Christopher Santos
Heathen!

00:41:44.07
Linz
Oh, evolution.

00:41:44.29
Christopher Santos
eat a evolution is a mystery i mean a myth sorry wes that was for wes this is perhaps the core of what puts the willies up your local priest which is ironic because usually it's the priest that was putting willies up no no no hard line there no moving on uh

00:41:50.67
Linz
mystery.

00:42:06.00
Linz
I was gonna that's the Una reverse.

00:42:15.69
Christopher Santos
But was Pokemon more effective at teaching children the concept of evolution than science class? Was Pokemon the brand marketing that Darwin never had?

00:42:23.81
Linz
Maybe.

00:42:28.71
Christopher Santos
Well, there has been a push and pull between evolution evolution and creationism. So that is that God created the earth as it was told in the Bible.

00:42:41.99
Christopher Santos
Particularly this is strong in America, which for some term time and continues all the way through to this day to some degree.

00:42:50.53
Linz
Yeah, I think I had to learn about dinosaurs by myself.

00:42:54.26
Christopher Santos
Oh, really? Even in Catholic school in the UK?

00:42:56.90
Linz
Yeah, I don't remember learning about dinosaurs. I think I i got obsessed with them though.

00:43:02.90
Christopher Santos
Wow. Okay. Okay.

00:43:03.72
Linz
And i was reading a lot about them, but I don't remember learning about them in school. Mm-hmm.

00:43:08.77
Christopher Santos
Interesting. I see. I had a whole like like. I'm sure I had like whole years about dinosaurs.

00:43:17.86
Linz
Damn.

00:43:18.47
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:43:19.17
Linz
Yeah.

00:43:19.24
Christopher Santos
Yeah. You were missing out.

00:43:21.32
Linz
I read by myself, though. So, you know, dinosaurs were so popular.

00:43:22.89
Christopher Santos
Yeah. Yeah.

00:43:25.67
Linz
Yeah, those like a thousand books. That's probably why I like to read so much. I was like, oh, missing information I can fill in.

00:43:36.41
Linz
Yeah, exactly.

00:43:38.76
Christopher Santos
But, you know, American parents weren't often overtly aware of what was being taught in science class. So if evolution was being taught, maybe they didn't know so much. But once, you know, little Johnny Hotdog came home declaring that his Squirtle had evolved into a Wartortle, well, shit just got real.

00:43:57.77
Christopher Santos
And the battleground just arrived on our doorstep.

00:44:01.83
Linz
Little Johnny Hot Dog.

00:44:03.94
Christopher Santos
That's pretty standard American name, right? It's also an amazing wrestling name, just to say.

00:44:09.13
Linz
Yeah.

00:44:12.29
Christopher Santos
In 1999, the Kansas State Board of Education voted to remove evolution from state science assessment standards. Schools could still teach it, but they no longer had to test it. At the same time, the intelligent design movement was gaining momentum. Intelligent design is a bit slippery to define, especially in a small time here. It argues that certain features of life are too complex to have been evolved through natural selection at own alone and must have been guided by some kind of intelligent cause. It doesn't name God outright. Think of it as like creationism that avoids saying that quiet part out loud, like Digimon refusing to say Pikachu.

00:44:54.57
Christopher Santos
Right in the middle of this control tension, Linz, kids across America were chanting one word over and over and over. And it wasn't Austin, Austin, Austin. It was evolve, evolve, evolve.

00:45:09.25
Christopher Santos
Ultimately, evolution is supposed to be taught in US schools. But as recently as this year, and we're less than two months into it at the recording time, Linz, an Oklahoma state legislator put forward a bill stating that creationism or intelligent design must be taught alongside evolution.

00:45:27.47
Christopher Santos
Now, it's its unknown.

00:45:28.99
Linz
Oh, yo, yo, yo.

00:45:30.17
Christopher Santos
It's unknown if that's going anywhere or not, but it's just saying that it's not necessarily dead in the water, that whole movement. So... Pokemon, another reason why probably a lot of these pastors were kind of, you know, raging about it from their pulpits was the fact that it was teaching evolution.

00:45:49.65
Christopher Santos
So that's another big, big...

00:45:52.14
Linz
Yeah, that makes more sense instead of just like...

00:45:53.93
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:45:55.34
Linz
And also, right, they name like Poliwog in Pikachu, but not like the flaming dragons.

00:46:03.05
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:46:05.19
Linz
That's so strange.

00:46:05.90
Christopher Santos
Yeah. I mean, like Magmar, that's just like...

00:46:08.33
Linz
Yeah.

00:46:08.39
Christopher Santos
It's just just like Hellfire and Brimstone come to life, isn't it?

00:46:08.93
Linz
Do you know who probably is satanic? Mr.

00:46:13.36
Christopher Santos
Even with a butthead.

00:46:14.21
Linz
Mime.

00:46:14.77
Christopher Santos
Oh, Mr. Mime is absolutely devil incarnate.

00:46:19.83
Linz
it's the

00:46:19.75
Christopher Santos
It's like, you know, but the original 151 are like kind of untouchable, but I'm not saying that there isn't a tier list to that 151. Mime's near bottom there.

00:46:30.79
Linz
Yeah, Mr. Mime's gotta to go.

00:46:37.74
Christopher Santos
so Okay, so finally, we need to touch on Pokemon Go. A more recent controversy, but 10 years old this year. Can you believe that?

00:46:46.99
Linz
Oh, yes, actually. i never, you know what? I never played it. I know that shotgun.

00:46:51.10
Christopher Santos
Oh, really?

00:46:52.29
Linz
Yeah, I never played it. Mm

00:46:53.80
Christopher Santos
I mean, i did I did play it, not massively, but I certainly downloaded it when it came out.

00:46:57.67
Linz
hmm.

00:46:59.40
Christopher Santos
And I remember walking around the town in Japan where I lived at the time, just being really cool because I was like hunting for Pokemon in Japan. And that's really kind of cool.

00:47:08.04
Linz
Yeah, that's cool.

00:47:08.36
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:47:09.28
Linz
Yeah, we were both in Asia at that time, but I didn't download it.

00:47:09.38
Christopher Santos
Yeah. Yeah.

00:47:13.64
Linz
Honestly, I wasn't for some reason. It just didn't appeal to me just like catching them.

00:47:16.96
Christopher Santos
No.

00:47:17.92
Linz
But in Japan, it would it would be cool.

00:47:19.27
Christopher Santos
Yeah, it was, it was a cool little, I mean, I thought it was a cool little gimmick for a little while.

00:47:21.86
Linz
Cool idea. Yeah.

00:47:23.23
Christopher Santos
It didn't, it didn't keep me playing, but I know lots of people really did. And it's also a really cool way to lose weight if you're walking a lot as well. So, i mean, it's, there's more than one thing to it there, but

00:47:33.99
Linz
Yeah, probably did a lot for the people.

00:47:35.97
Christopher Santos
you know, for about three months there, the world collectively lost its mind over Pokemon Go.

00:47:40.45
Linz
Yeah, I know. Yeah, crazy.

00:47:41.73
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:47:42.57
Linz
But it was also people who didn't know because those people around me playing it and they were like, oh, there's a mouse there.

00:47:42.71
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:47:48.05
Linz
I've got to get this mouse. And it was like Rattata.

00:47:50.21
Christopher Santos
yeah

00:47:50.47
Linz
And part of you wants to go, that's Rattata, you fake. You poser. But no.

00:47:57.03
Christopher Santos
m

00:47:57.38
Linz
Yeah. I mean, it did it did bring everyone together. And yeah.

00:48:00.08
Christopher Santos
it did but but people are not just losing their mind like in a like look at they they were going were doing crackers things practically physically you know people were just like walking into spaces that they absolutely should not have been going into

00:48:06.57
Linz
They really were losing their minds for real. Yeah.

00:48:16.50
Linz
Yeah, like the backs of restaurants and shit.

00:48:17.97
Christopher Santos
Yeah, there are all these news stories that were popping up all the time by people wandering at private gardens because there was a rare spawn, climbing other fences, walking onto construction walking to construction sites, roaming around industrial estates at midnight, all because the app said there was something there.

00:48:18.32
Linz
It was crazy.

00:48:27.05
Linz
rare spawn.

00:48:30.55
Linz
Yeah.

00:48:33.50
Linz
Madness.

00:48:37.90
Christopher Santos
Funny thing about this is, though, that none of it was malicious. it was just It was just people, you know, going, yeah, I've got to catch them all, not I'm going to trespass.

00:48:41.58
Linz
No.

00:48:45.19
Linz
Gotta catch them all, Chris.

00:48:48.44
Christopher Santos
It was just more like, it's oh, it's over there, and there's a chain link fence between it, you know?

00:48:54.51
Linz
But I've gotta to have them. I've gotta to get every last one, damn it.

00:48:57.47
Christopher Santos
Yeah. I mean, what you what's what's a boy supposed to do when over there is behind a locked gate?

00:49:02.88
Linz
yeah I mean, you know.

00:49:03.33
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:49:04.89
Linz
Doesn't say gotta catch 75.

00:49:06.65
Christopher Santos
Now, there were memorial sites and cemeteries that it had to formally ask to be removed from a game. The US Holocaust Memorial Museum was a poker stop.

00:49:13.89
Linz
Oh, gosh. Oh, no.

00:49:17.91
Christopher Santos
Arlington Cemetery had gyms, churches, war memorials, private homes, all flagged as gameplay locations because the system pulled from a giant crowdsourced map database.

00:49:28.67
Christopher Santos
The algorithm just didn't know the context.

00:49:28.89
Linz
Oh, God.

00:49:31.77
Christopher Santos
It just knew this is a point of interest. And suddenly, sacred spaces were just resource nodes, which is just like a wild, do you think about it?

00:49:38.41
Linz
Oh, God.

00:49:40.81
Christopher Santos
You had people spinning Pokestops inside memorials. Not out disrespect, just because that's how the game framed the space and it gamified geography. It was very cool and unique how it did it, but without context, it was wild.

00:49:55.20
Christopher Santos
And then there were the robberies.

00:49:55.29
Linz
Yeah.

00:49:59.39
Linz
What?

00:49:59.42
Christopher Santos
so there were several cases most famously there was a case in missouri where criminals used the in-game lure feature to attract players to a remote location and then robbed them

00:50:09.06
Linz
god. That's so Team Rocket.

00:50:13.53
Christopher Santos
yeah

00:50:14.05
Linz
They just had a Meowth that just like scratches them and all their coins fall out.

00:50:17.22
Christopher Santos
okay You know, this is a turning point for the game because it showed that you could predict where people would go. The game wasn't just an entertainment.

00:50:26.41
Linz
Oh, yeah.

00:50:27.41
Christopher Santos
It's a movement engine. If a rare Pokemon spawned somewhere, you could guarantee a crowd would show up. No advertising, no official coordination, just digital scarcity. And that's the really interesting bit about this bit of dark controversy, you know.

00:50:43.17
Christopher Santos
Pokemon Go proved that if you need layers, incentives over realities, that people will just follow them, even if it means ignoring social norms, even if it means stepping somewhere where they normally wouldn't.

00:50:56.50
Christopher Santos
It got to the

00:50:56.74
Linz
So you're agreeing with the pastors. is.

00:50:58.89
Christopher Santos
No, I'm not agreeing with Plaster.

00:51:00.65
Christopher Santos
They're two separate issues, two separate controversies, but it's it's just wild when you think about it. they just and they They literally unleashed Pokemon everywhere.

00:51:05.89
Linz
it is

00:51:09.87
Christopher Santos
And then you had like law enforcement tweeting. tweeting out things like do not enter restricted areas to catch pokemon do not play pokemon go while driving please do not trespass to catch that bulbasaur all of so all of this sounds ridiculous until you remember back to 2016 a much simpler time when just how compelling the game was you were just catching something you were just competing it was also part of a global event there was serious fomo going on

00:51:41.97
Linz
Hmm. Oh.

00:51:42.41
Christopher Santos
And when you zoom out, it becomes less about Pikachu, more about behavioral nudging. The app quietly redirected foot traffic in cities. Businesses is paid to become sponsored locations because of it.

00:51:53.99
Christopher Santos
Certain parks saw huge surges of visitors at odd hours. Small towns had hundreds of strangers show up because there's something rare that appeared on the map. That's powerful. It's not necessarily evil or sinister mastermind stuff. It's just, it's really powerful that you could direct traffic that way. And it's really interesting from a kind of tourism perspective.

00:52:16.52
Christopher Santos
You know, if you're a small town, you could put a bid in, say, hey, we want, you know, a shiny Charizard to appear in our area. And then you're going to guarantee that there's loads of footfall in your little town.

00:52:27.67
Linz
That actually sounds horrible.

00:52:31.33
Christopher Santos
I mean, it is.

00:52:31.81
Linz
Or you could sell a lot of water, I guess, but...

00:52:33.80
Christopher Santos
and Well, I mean, yeah, that's it. It's going to be like, you know, telling all the hotels, get ready. You know, everybody, you know, add an extra zero to those hot dogs.

00:52:37.51
Linz
Yeah.

00:52:42.53
Linz
God, that's crazy to think about, actually, isn't it?

00:52:45.19
Christopher Santos
Yeah. You know.

00:52:45.89
Linz
It actually is. Like, that had a people in a chokehold.

00:52:49.00
Christopher Santos
Yeah. Just to choke the phone just said, go there.

00:52:50.35
Linz
Yes.

00:52:51.42
Christopher Santos
And people went.

00:52:52.58
Linz
Yeah, it's actually crazy. And just because it's Pokemon.

00:52:56.10
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:52:56.58
Linz
And like I said, people who didn't even know who the like which Pokemon was which and had never played it, they they wanted to be part of it, too.

00:53:03.21
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:53:05.70
Christopher Santos
her

00:53:06.28
Linz
That's so weird. It's like the Labubus, right? Like there's so many toys that look like that.

00:53:08.55
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:53:12.05
Linz
But for some reason, that one but just like people were paying out their ass for it. It's crazy.

00:53:20.01
Christopher Santos
Yeah. it's It's absolutely wild. Just bizarre.

00:53:22.57
Linz
Yeah.

00:53:23.53
Christopher Santos
I mean, really it was just reality slightly reprogrammed with Pokemon, which, I mean, is a pretty fair trade-off.

00:53:31.43
Linz
yeah

00:53:32.31
Christopher Santos
It's what we all want, right?

00:53:33.89
Linz
Yeah.

00:53:34.66
Christopher Santos
What?

00:53:34.98
Linz
Oh, I'd love to just live in a Pokemon world.

00:53:37.80
Christopher Santos
Well, I mean, you certainly can do if you're if you're happy trespassing. Well, Linz, that Pokemon, Epilepsies, Trespassing, Satan, and Evolution, three of those four, will be the new starters in the next game, I guarantee it The question is, Linz, has this, has this portrayal of Satan's very reach changed your love of Pokemon?

00:54:04.01
Linz
Never. Nothing will change my love.

00:54:04.97
Christopher Santos
It's a...

00:54:06.39
Linz
Well, maybe if Brock was on the Epstein Island, it it

00:54:12.17
Christopher Santos
Oh, well I've got some news for you.

00:54:14.25
Linz
would.

00:54:14.53
Christopher Santos
I've been redacting some pages.

00:54:17.39
Linz
No. No, on a.

00:54:18.32
Christopher Santos
You don't want know what he did with his Onyx.

00:54:22.16
Linz
Oh, yeah, he had a big sort wang shaped Pokemon.

00:54:25.52
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:54:26.15
Linz
I never thought about that.

00:54:26.41
Christopher Santos
Yeah. Yeah. And several Geo dudes.

00:54:28.61
Linz
Geo Dudes. I never thought about that before. And he did make a lot of references to being rock hard all the time.

00:54:35.16
Christopher Santos
He did. Yeah.

00:54:36.01
Linz
That was just totally lost on me until this moment.

00:54:39.42
Christopher Santos
He's also only one of two people I've ever heard of called Brock.

00:54:43.90
Linz
Brock. No, that's a very 80s sort of tough guy name, I think.

00:54:48.69
Christopher Santos
Yeah, yeah.

00:54:49.97
Linz
Yeah.

00:54:50.62
Christopher Santos
Oh, there goes Brock. he's like he's he's He's a double black belt in karate.

00:54:53.58
Linz
Hey, name for your next kid? who

00:54:57.82
Christopher Santos
Brock.

00:54:58.63
Linz
Brock.

00:54:59.22
Christopher Santos
Brock.

00:54:59.80
Linz
That's amazing. Bring it back.

00:55:02.24
Christopher Santos
don't what he's called in Japanese, actually.

00:55:05.55
Linz
Brocky. yes

00:55:06.41
Christopher Santos
No, that they're completely different.

00:55:08.03
Linz
I'm kidding.

00:55:08.37
Christopher Santos
They're completely different. Because Ash is Satoshi.

00:55:11.28
Linz
Yeah, i knew that.

00:55:11.57
Christopher Santos
Misty is Kasumi. And Brock.

00:55:15.81
Linz
You've got to look it up now.

00:55:16.51
Christopher Santos
I'll look it up now.

00:55:16.89
Linz
I need to know.

00:55:17.85
Christopher Santos
Brock. Japanese name. He was Takeshi.

00:55:25.29
Linz
Oh my god, that suits him way better, actually.

00:55:27.18
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:55:28.56
Linz
Yeah.

00:55:29.65
Christopher Santos
As in Take meaning mountain peak. And Ishii meaning stone. So again, that's that's a bit of a

00:55:35.37
Linz
Oh, again! Oh, that was lost on us completely.

00:55:36.81
Christopher Santos
Mm-hmm. Completely. But I suppose Brock. Brock.

00:55:42.50
Linz
Brock and Rock. Oh.

00:55:43.30
Christopher Santos
Yeah. Misty as well. Kasumi is going to be something to do with Water and Misty, obviously Mist. And then Ash.

00:55:49.41
Linz
Well, she was a water gym leader, so...

00:55:51.87
Christopher Santos
Ash doesn't really mean any. mean it You'd think that he'd be like a fire Pokemon specialist, but I mean, he's got a Charizard, but it doesn't listen to him.

00:56:02.69
Linz
I guess when he gets electrocuted, he always turns into ash, right? Or he's covered in ash.

00:56:07.81
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:56:08.52
Linz
He turns like a dark color and he shakes it off sometimes.

00:56:11.94
Christopher Santos
guess so.

00:56:13.05
Linz
Yeah.

00:56:15.45
Christopher Santos
anyway yeah that's that's it here a couple of final notes for you on this here though uh so know as you referenced before you know everything's kind of gone pokemon in my house at the moment and my son is absolutely loving the anime he's he can't get enough of it so it's some pretty good father-son bonding that's going on there and i'm like okay this is really this is really cool i'm a connecting on on that kind of level it's nice to share those type of things

00:56:16.66
Linz
Yeah.

00:56:31.02
Linz
Oh.

00:56:41.17
Linz
I showed it to a kid I was babysitting and they're obsessed with it. So we are ushering in a new generation of Pokemon lovers, hopefully.

00:56:44.90
Christopher Santos
yeah 100 and personally i don't think there's there's anything better that they could get into at that age it's great 100 yeah

00:56:52.59
Linz
Oh no, it's it's so wholesome and it's like fun. It's yeah, it's it's great. Like, you know me, I've never stopped liking Pokemon. I still have my Pokemon teddy bears are around.

00:57:03.18
Christopher Santos
yeah

00:57:05.13
Linz
and I always ask for something when you go to Japan, like bring me something.

00:57:08.43
Christopher Santos
Yes, i'll be bringing I'll bring you something extra special back next time. Don't worry.

00:57:12.59
Linz
Oh hell yeah.

00:57:14.10
Christopher Santos
My son is also playing on the Switch on the the game but the Game Boy Advance emulator, Pokemon Fire Team Rescue.

00:57:21.42
Linz
What's that?

00:57:22.33
Christopher Santos
It's kind of cool, actually. I recommend playing it. if you've got have you You've got Switch, right?

00:57:26.73
Linz
Yep, yep, I got a switch.

00:57:27.29
Christopher Santos
yeah if you will if you can play I don't know if you can play the GBA stuff without the subscription. I think you can, because I don't think I've got a subscription. i think mine's lapsed. If not, but yeah, yeah it's it's on there.

00:57:35.76
Linz
I had one, but not so much now.

00:57:38.68
Christopher Santos
It's free Pokemon Fire Team Rescue, and basically you get turned into a Pokemon and then join like a rescue team.

00:57:45.88
Linz
this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe I have heard of it.

00:57:47.26
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

00:57:48.04
Linz
Yeah.

00:57:48.00
Christopher Santos
Yeah. It's pretty cool so far. I mean, I mean i say my son's playing it. He's really pressing buttons and aggressively asking why Slowpoke is. And then I'm doing the rest.

00:57:55.06
Linz
Oh, that's his favorite. Yeah.

00:57:57.62
Christopher Santos
Oh, he loves Slowpoke. Absolutely he loves it.

00:57:58.68
Linz
Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. You ended a competition.

00:58:02.57
Christopher Santos
I did. did.

00:58:03.64
Linz
Right. I need to know.

00:58:05.53
Christopher Santos
so i'll post this on the instagram so go there and have a look but so for those that don't know and in the uk we celebrate the beginning of lent with something called pan uh something called shrove tuesday which is otherwise known as pancake day where you're supposed to use up all the the kind of basics in your uh in your cupboards and then the idea is and you start lent the next day and you give up something up whatever so we make pancakes out of those things that you'd traditionally give up at my work we had a pancake competition and i did win the previous year so i kind of had to to follow up again yeah i'm not it was it was like japanese takoyaki like takoyaki things but about a pancake mix yeah that was pretty good uh but i was like oh man i gotta step it up here so i made pokemon pancakes where i am

00:58:40.88
Linz
Did you? Wait, wait, wait. What did you do last year?

00:58:51.36
Linz
Okay.

00:58:59.13
Christopher Santos
they were just normal shaped pancakes but i used icing sugar to decorate them into pokemon themes there was pokeballs there was an eevee there and that was a pikachu as well and lins the results are in

00:59:11.28
Linz
Okay. They were really good, by the way. Okay.

00:59:14.30
Christopher Santos
in third place was not me in second place was not me in first place oh was me

00:59:18.52
Linz
Okay.

00:59:22.62
Linz
Okay.

00:59:27.67
Linz
Was you?

00:59:28.19
Christopher Santos
It absolutely was me.

00:59:30.65
Linz
fucking knew it.

00:59:31.61
Christopher Santos
So...

00:59:34.36
Linz
Oh my God. So what was second and third?

00:59:35.13
Christopher Santos
Money, money, money, money. Second and third. Second was a... They did it they actually judged it slightly differently this year. So second was a just... It was like the the best sort of pancake making.

00:59:51.71
Linz
Boo! Next.

00:59:58.54
Christopher Santos
oh man i already can't remember actually i can't remember yeah i just saw the money and i was like all right 100 smackaroons

01:00:01.67
Linz
That's so mean. You are like, loser!

01:00:07.37
Linz
How much did you win? Oh my god, that's so much. What are you going to do with it?

01:00:13.34
Christopher Santos
i don't know yeah i'm probably gonna just keep it for i mean i get it in a voucher form so i'll i'll

01:00:17.89
Linz
Boo! For what?

01:00:19.63
Christopher Santos
Well, for more or less anything at Amazon, I can get. Like at eBay, I could get anything, like any of the big, any big shop.

01:00:23.82
Linz
Oh, okay.

01:00:27.39
Linz
eBay? oh my god, get something weird from eBay.

01:00:33.67
Christopher Santos
A monkey's paw.

01:00:33.77
Linz
Like X-Files dolls. Yeah, get a monkey's paw from eBay.

01:00:39.59
Christopher Santos
not Not again, not again.

01:00:40.94
Linz
but

01:00:42.27
Christopher Santos
I'm also looking forward to starting Pokemon Sword as well.

01:00:46.72
Linz
Oh, yes, I'm so excited for you.

01:00:49.17
Linz
Yes.

01:00:50.30
Christopher Santos
And like I said, just to to tell everybody that I've got that new little pocket monster on my way as well. So it's due any time now, maybe even by the time you're listening to this. So I better get to editing.

01:00:59.59
Linz
Yeah, this should be out by the weekend. So, oh my gosh.

01:01:02.59
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:01:11.83
Christopher Santos
It is.

01:01:14.07
Linz
Yeah. So get working on your next, next script, Chris.

01:01:15.02
Christopher Santos
Excellent. Yeah, my next next group, right? I'm suddenly not here, not one week.

01:01:19.08
Linz
Well, we'll have time.

01:01:20.44
Christopher Santos
You'll know why.

01:01:22.60
Christopher Santos
So thank you very much, everybody, for listening to this Pokemon Spiracy Hour episode. And Linz, one small apology to Septembrio. We can't play his outro today.

01:01:35.94
Christopher Santos
We've got to go of something else.

01:01:37.74
Linz
Yes.

01:01:39.34
Christopher Santos
No one ever was.

01:01:39.72
Linz
No one ever was. Train

01:01:43.36
Christopher Santos
Pokemon is my real test to train to miss my curse.

01:01:46.73
Linz
them is my cause. We're so out of sync. yeah

01:01:53.03
Christopher Santos
g Ba-bam, ba-bam.

01:02:29.64
Christopher Santos
got

01:02:33.43
Christopher Santos
Okay, so I figure I'll just let this keep recording and then we'll go into the the next one.

01:02:34.29
Linz
e

01:02:39.19
Linz
Oh, the boner.

01:02:40.92
Christopher Santos
Yeah, but before two things before we do, and I'm going to edit these out, so don't worry.

01:02:42.17
Linz
Just when you thought it was over.

01:02:47.84
Christopher Santos
but for them So that wasn't the that wasn't the theme song in Japan, you know?

01:02:55.32
Linz
I guess that much.

01:02:56.02
Christopher Santos
Yeah, like, but it's it's shocking how different it is. And my wife hears that and she's like, what the fuck is that? And I'm like, I'm like, but well, play me yours. And she plays me and I'm like, this is absolutely lame. It is unreal.

01:03:11.38
Linz
Is it?

01:03:11.73
Christopher Santos
It is lame as donkey balls.

01:03:14.93
Linz
I follow the guy who did the song and he goes around all of these conventions and he play and he has like, oh, I just, I love that song.

01:03:17.49
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:03:22.65
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:03:22.85
Linz
It's so good.

01:03:22.88
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:03:23.37
Linz
So the Japanese one sucks. Do you have it?

01:03:26.42
Christopher Santos
uh i can yeah just just just just find it

01:03:28.31
Linz
Should I just listen real quick?

01:03:31.86
Linz
Yeah. Is it crap? Ours is so like legendary.

01:03:34.36
Christopher Santos
yeah don't know but it's legendary in japan they all love it

01:03:40.22
Linz
Pokemon. Japan. Stephanie Falkers, she's Japanese opening sounds so

01:03:50.17
Linz
Oh.

01:03:53.77
Linz
Very funky. Oh.

01:03:57.74
Linz
Yeah, this sucks.

01:03:58.89
Christopher Santos
Yeah, it's it's it's absolute balls, isn't it?

01:04:01.77
Linz
Yeah, it's boring. Ours is great. It's proper 80s.

01:04:05.10
Christopher Santos
Yeah, except that's it.

01:04:05.93
Linz
Like ripping guitar solace. Remember the Power Rangers intro?

01:04:10.37
Christopher Santos
Oh, it's just, oh, it's absolutely amazing.

01:04:10.62
Linz
Oh, that was so good.

01:04:15.02
Christopher Santos
it's

01:04:15.24
Linz
What a time to be alive. Yeah, we lived that. Good times. Oh.

01:04:20.86
Christopher Santos
I've also devised a new style of playing Pokemon for Pokemon Sword that I'd like your feedback on.

01:04:28.100
Linz
Okay. Right.

01:04:29.80
Christopher Santos
So here's my idea. As I'm playing it, I let them go if they're from the original 151. I catch them and imprison them forever if they're from a newer generation.

01:04:39.65
Linz
Right.

01:04:44.63
Christopher Santos
I call it Pokovitz.

01:04:50.76
Linz
oh gosh then the new the new gen isn't that bad there's a few there's a few decent ones that I've like got to like

01:04:51.01
Christopher Santos
getp Give me feedback on that one later.

01:04:56.37
Christopher Santos
It's now... There are, i just, i my my problem is with them is that that the further you get away from Gen 1, the more, how can I put it?

01:05:10.47
Christopher Santos
don't know, like, the more they become, like, just not Pokemon.

01:05:17.38
Linz
Yeah, I guess that's why you've asked me to to come up with a list.

01:05:21.31
Christopher Santos
Yeah, i just thought it'd be funny because i mean I might know one of them or two of them, but depending on which ones you pick from a like other 900 or whatever there is, I'm like, as it's like Maril, I'm pretty fucked.

01:05:30.60
Linz
Yeah.

01:05:34.66
Linz
Yeah, you're not going to know these at all.

01:05:37.18
Christopher Santos
Okay, so let's do this and play the theme song and we can go.

01:05:39.50
Linz
You're not going to know them. But yeah, I hope you enjoy them.

01:05:45.95
Linz
All right, cool. Okay.

01:06:00.22
Christopher Santos
Thank you.

01:06:31.22
Christopher Santos
Oh, what's this, Linz? Where are we? Where are we?

01:06:34.30
Linz
Where the hell? Can you turn the light on? Why is it so dusty in here?

01:06:36.15
Christopher Santos
Is this

01:06:37.86
Linz
What the hell?

01:06:38.36
Christopher Santos
that the the the Patreon? Hello.

01:06:41.98
Linz
Is that where we are?

01:06:43.14
Christopher Santos
That's a name I haven't heard in a long time

01:06:45.95
Linz
Smoke cigarette.

01:06:48.38
Christopher Santos
Hello, guys. How are you? i Sorry it's been a while, but we appreciate your support. We are back here with a little bonus episode.

01:06:54.43
Linz
Yeah.

01:06:55.02
Christopher Santos
Following on from our Pokemon extravaganza over on the main feed, we thought would be it would be funny if I try and guess... so these pokemon so i i asked linds to prepare 20 post gen one pokemon and or however many of you put together linds and i'm going to try and guess and because this is an audio format think probably best if

01:07:08.63
Linz
Oh.

01:07:17.43
Linz
Mm-hmm.

01:07:23.27
Christopher Santos
You say headphones out. I take them out. Give it a beat. And then I'll come back. And then i'll I'll try it so that people know which Pokemon is actually in front of them. What do you think?

01:07:34.71
Linz
okay. So you want the images of them.

01:07:37.39
Christopher Santos
Yes, if you send the image to me.

01:07:39.100
Linz
Right. Okay. I have them.

01:07:42.77
Christopher Santos
So. Send me the image. then i'll then Then I'll take my headphones out.

01:07:47.67
Linz
Right.

01:07:48.92
Christopher Santos
Yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah. See how this first one goes.

01:07:52.95
Linz
So you're going to guess the name.

01:07:54.24
Christopher Santos
I'm going to guess the name of these Pokemon because I have not really played. i did play gold back in the day. i barely remember it. the The original 151 could new problem.

01:08:08.23
Linz
Okay, I'm gonna have to call these files. i'll I'll just drop them. That's right. Okay. All right. So the first one, I'm gonna drop it in the chat.

01:08:19.23
Linz
To be fair, I'm not sure other people will know this either, but here is the first Pokemon.

01:08:26.31
Christopher Santos
Oh, okay. I'm going to take my headphones out and I'm going to count to three.

01:08:29.83
Linz
Okay. The Pokemon is Unknown.

01:08:34.82
Christopher Santos
Okay. I am back. Right. weren't these, weren't these guys, there's a few of them, aren't there? That are like the same, same kind of symbol, but with different, like, am I making this up?

01:08:51.61
Linz
Yes.

01:08:54.58
Linz
No, I mean, i mean, no, no, yeah you're not.

01:08:54.60
Christopher Santos
Damn it.

01:08:59.35
Christopher Santos
like I know this one. I'm going kick myself and think. i'm It's not missing, no. But like.

01:09:07.27
Christopher Santos
it. Is it Prince? is It was this Gen 2.

01:09:13.45
Linz
i don't know how you pronounce it, but it's either... Unown or unown?

01:09:21.45
Christopher Santos
it was this gen two

01:09:24.09
Linz
Yes, this is Gen 2.

01:09:25.10
Christopher Santos
I see. I was like, this rings a bell. Damn it. Okay. So one.

01:09:30.11
Linz
It's honestly, what even is it?

01:09:33.42
Christopher Santos
Some kind of symbol, right?

01:09:34.33
Linz
All

01:09:34.78
Christopher Santos
Either that or if you look at sideways, it's like a very happy duck.

01:09:39.23
Linz
right.

01:09:39.57
Christopher Santos
Kind of looks like a Psyduck, actually. Okay. Next one.

01:09:45.94
Linz
I wish I had the images of them. This is spirit bomb. Spiritomb.

01:09:52.05
Christopher Santos
Yeah. You've got to.

01:09:55.17
Linz
Oh, were you listening?

01:09:56.08
Christopher Santos
Yeah, you've got to set send it. And then I'll take the headphones out.

01:10:00.72
Linz
Okay, well, we're skipping Spiritomb.

01:10:02.48
Christopher Santos
Okay. That one was Spiritum.

01:10:06.22
Linz
Shut up. I can't. I'm going to do this on my phone. It's easier. Sorry. I have like a file of everything, but they have their names in.

01:10:15.62
Christopher Santos
I can't see the names when they appear here.

01:10:17.98
Linz
No, I mean, i have a word file.

01:10:20.45
Christopher Santos
Oh, I see what you mean.

01:10:21.89
Linz
So this is going to be a bit of a editing nightmare. I'm just going to do it from my phone.

01:10:27.47
Linz
And you're going to have to say beep when you move away from the thing.

01:10:30.96
Christopher Santos
I'll just tell you, I'll just say headphones out.

01:10:33.04
Linz
Okay. Next one.

01:10:36.10
Christopher Santos
Okay, so here comes the next one. okay headphones out.

01:10:41.78
Linz
Gotharida.

01:10:43.82
Christopher Santos
Okay, I am back. This is...

01:10:49.13
Linz
Describe it to the people first.

01:10:50.22
Christopher Santos
Oh my God. This is like, so it looks like a cross between Minnie Mouse, a Vegas showgirl, disinterested valley girl, and Glenn Danzig's hair.

01:11:09.83
Christopher Santos
Is it like, what the you see this is my problem with with with the pokemon as you get further away from general one is like what are you because the original ones largely okay okay mr mime okay

01:11:25.25
Linz
you'll You're lying, because Mr. Mime, Jinx, what even were those?

01:11:30.04
Christopher Santos
But they were kind of based in, most most of Gen 1 was based in an animal or like, mean, even Jinx is kind of like a spirit type of thing, kind of get away with it. But this thing, what the fuck fuck is it? it's just It's just a human.

01:11:43.59
Christopher Santos
Is it?

01:11:43.96
Linz
In what world is that a human?

01:11:46.95
Christopher Santos
It's got two arms and two legs and it's got a face and it's got lip filler.

01:11:52.34
Linz
that a chimp could look like that.

01:11:55.51
Christopher Santos
could do and I'd like to meet that chimp but is it I can't

01:11:58.02
Linz
I guess the name.

01:12:02.18
Linz
You'd like to meet that chimp. Sorry, that total... What?

01:12:06.66
Christopher Santos
I can't even tell what it's supposed to be is it like a is it a magic Pokemon is it like is that is that what type it is yeah psychic that's what I meant not magic is it abracadabra

01:12:15.45
Linz
I don't remember. I think it's psychic or something.

01:12:23.14
Christopher Santos
No, not Abracadabra. Is it Alakaz- no, no, but the these are all ones. Is it Open Sesame?

01:12:30.44
Linz
It's Gotharita.

01:12:32.74
Christopher Santos
Gotharita. Right. Okay.

01:12:36.82
Linz
It's kind of a cool name though. Right.

01:12:38.09
Christopher Santos
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's cool name. Cool name. Okay.

01:12:42.86
Linz
But you are right. They're all very different design wise, which is, which makes it really weird that they're all Pokemon.

01:12:46.38
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:12:49.29
Linz
Okay. So here's the next one.

01:12:51.88
Christopher Santos
Okay. And headphones out.

01:12:56.25
Linz
Oh, one second.

01:12:58.19
Christopher Santos
Okay, having a look at this now.

01:12:59.89
Linz
No, I didn't. I didn't say what it was.

01:13:00.59
Christopher Santos
Oh, you didn't say it. Say it. That's the God, God damn it.

01:13:04.73
Linz
Okay, go. You didn't say headphones out.

01:13:09.61
Linz
You didn't say headphones out

01:13:14.52
Christopher Santos
My headphones are out. is that all right? no

01:13:17.09
Linz
out. You didn't say headphones out.

01:13:19.76
Christopher Santos
Sorry, everybody, this is an absolute fail. Okay, head headphones out.

01:13:21.96
Linz
It's a fucking shit joke.

01:13:25.60
Linz
Incineroar.

01:13:27.76
Christopher Santos
Right. So this one's a bit more like, okay, I can tell it's a fire Pokemon. It's some sort of like tiger-y thing.

01:13:38.19
Christopher Santos
It looks a bit like,

01:13:41.06
Christopher Santos
what's called? The Frosties? Tony the Tiger?

01:13:44.46
Linz
Tony where are these old references coming from

01:13:49.64
Christopher Santos
Is it like... Incinitiger or something? thing

01:13:55.80
Linz
You know what? Do you already know this one?

01:13:58.27
Christopher Santos
No, I don't know.

01:13:58.98
Linz
You heard me saying, you know what? How can I trust that when you say headphones out, that you're just, you're taking them out?

01:14:06.27
Christopher Santos
Because I am taking out...

01:14:07.77
Linz
You're not, you're just lying. You always cheat.

01:14:09.40
Christopher Santos
There's nothing... at his i always cheat.

01:14:11.07
Linz
You cheat on the Christmas quizzes and incinerate.

01:14:13.86
Christopher Santos
Is it actually Incinitiger? Incin...

01:14:16.55
Linz
ininero

01:14:17.62
Christopher Santos
Incineroar. Okay.

01:14:21.48
Linz
I swear you've googled this. this is This is exactly the type of thing that you do.

01:14:23.90
Christopher Santos
i've no i don't I do not know this. I'm trying to learn but I'm not there yet.

01:14:32.06
Linz
that That was good though.

01:14:33.31
Christopher Santos
Okay.

01:14:34.62
Linz
Next. I like this one. I have it in one of my teams on one of the games.

01:14:37.15
Christopher Santos
Okay. Right. I'm taking my headphones out now.

01:14:42.22
Linz
Araquanid.

01:14:44.10
Christopher Santos
And I'm putting them back in again. Okay. This is a spider. Is it like, what's that around its head? Is it space spider?

01:14:52.92
Linz
A little little space suit, yeah.

01:14:55.78
Christopher Santos
Oh, is it like... Is it like SpaceNid? Or like...

01:15:02.67
Linz
Space nad. What did you say?

01:15:04.76
Christopher Santos
SpaceNid? Like Arachnid? Like... o fuck.

01:15:07.93
Linz
You're cheating! Araquanid.

01:15:09.60
Christopher Santos
It's not. Arachnid? So close!

01:15:15.94
Linz
That is good. Now I want to play.

01:15:19.34
Christopher Santos
Well, you know all the Pokemon, though.

01:15:20.97
Linz
No, no, I don't.

01:15:23.94
Linz
I don't. Okay. Next one.

01:15:26.98
Christopher Santos
Okay.

01:15:27.26
Linz
Now, you might know this. You might know it.

01:15:30.92
Christopher Santos
Okay.

01:15:32.33
Christopher Santos
Oh, okay. Right. i I'm going to take my earphones up.

01:15:36.09
Linz
Okay. Mimikyu.

01:15:38.63
Christopher Santos
Putting them back in again. Now I do know this one. I do know that's Mimikyu.

01:15:43.88
Linz
Yep.

01:15:44.64
Christopher Santos
But okay, I do have a question for you. What the fuck is a Mimikyu?

01:15:46.56
Linz
Yeah.

01:15:48.61
Christopher Santos
is it Is it a dead Pikachu or is it mimicking a Pikachu?

01:15:48.77
Linz
So

01:15:53.73
Christopher Santos
Is it a shit ditto?

01:15:53.85
Linz
it's, it's a, it is a ditto, but it's, it yeah, it's just kind of a ditto, you know, like when you get the first hit from the your opponent, it doesn't count because it just like knocks your disguise off.

01:15:54.97
Christopher Santos
A shitto?

01:16:08.37
Linz
And I think ditto, no, ditto didn't do that right.

01:16:11.91
Christopher Santos
no no it did those first movie had to turn himself into so yeah

01:16:12.74
Linz
So that's an advantage that he has. And it's actually really cool. i like I like that one.

01:16:20.93
Linz
Yeah, this is like, you get like a bonus. you get You can take one hit and then like the Pikachu head falls back and he's just that little creature underneath with the face on it.

01:16:32.52
Linz
So I think it's a pretty good one.

01:16:34.57
Christopher Santos
cool right okay so what i've got one point got one point yes

01:16:39.34
Linz
You kind of got two if you add in two halves.

01:16:42.30
Christopher Santos
yeah I'm not going be there. No.

01:16:45.50
Linz
All right, this is another one I had on my team.

01:16:48.28
Christopher Santos
The fuck? Taking my earphones out.

01:16:52.33
Linz
Cinderace.

01:16:54.11
Christopher Santos
Okay, this is this is like a, I'm sorry, headphones back in. This is a core example of like, the new Pokemon design that I don't like because it's, it's, I know it was like Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan and stuff that did this sort of thing in the original ones.

01:17:07.71
Christopher Santos
It's not completely away from it, but this is just like a rabbit.

01:17:08.24
Linz
Yeah.

01:17:13.81
Christopher Santos
It's just a rabbit, man. Like, reminds me Bucky O'Hare.

01:17:15.54
Linz
What does it remind you of?

01:17:21.46
Linz
You know what it reminds me of? You know, like a... for some I don't know why, but like a French football mascot in the world, in a Euro Cup or whatever it's called.

01:17:29.78
Christopher Santos
Yeah, it's you're thinking of the the bird from France 98.

01:17:36.48
Linz
Is that what I'm thinking of?

01:17:37.33
Christopher Santos
Yeah, I'm going to find an image and I'm going to show it to you.

01:17:39.84
Linz
It reminds me of a football mascot, like a European one.

01:17:44.76
Christopher Santos
It reminds me of of this bad boy.

01:17:48.45
Christopher Santos
Even giving you to in shiny form.

01:17:52.16
Linz
o

01:17:53.82
Linz
yes it reminds me of like one of those things for some reason it's a good pokemon but yeah i don't know like i said some of these designs are a bit like questionable

01:18:11.10
Christopher Santos
Yes.

01:18:13.02
Linz
right

01:18:14.68
Christopher Santos
Yeah, I'm not a fan of these ones and I've seen a couple others that get even even worse, more anime-ish in my opinion. If I'm gonna guess this one's name, don't know, Rumpent Rabbit?

01:18:27.88
Linz
Guess it's that. it Isn't that a sex toy? I'm

01:18:31.99
Christopher Santos
Might be.

01:18:33.45
Linz
cruddled on. Rampant rabbit. I'm googling that. It's a vibrating freak.

01:18:43.01
Christopher Santos
okay is it is is this name

01:18:46.11
Linz
You can't skip over that.

01:18:50.12
Christopher Santos
Is

01:18:53.34
Linz
I'm never gonna let you live that.

01:18:57.01
Christopher Santos
is it is it like a fighting Pokemon?

01:18:58.42
Linz
You're actually embarrassed. You're trying to skip forward.

01:19:01.72
Christopher Santos
I'm not embarrassed. Rump and Rabbids. I've known what they are for a long time.

01:19:10.82
Linz
God.

01:19:11.30
Christopher Santos
Is this a fighting Pokemon? Or is it just kicking? Like, is it is it kicking? like

01:19:15.28
Linz
I think it's fire and fighting. you can You can mix the types.

01:19:20.25
Linz
like Don't quote me on that.

01:19:19.37
Christopher Santos
Oh, you can mix.

01:19:21.61
Linz
but

01:19:22.19
Christopher Santos
Fair enough. Okay, is it is it...

01:19:24.18
Linz
Rampant rabbits.

01:19:25.31
Christopher Santos
Is he called, like...

01:19:25.92
Linz
used to vibrate it was very

01:19:27.29
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:19:30.67
Christopher Santos
I guess it could also technically be a water Pokemon, then.

01:19:36.47
Christopher Santos
Is it called, like...

01:19:40.72
Christopher Santos
trying to think is it called like is is it called a like i'm trying to think because like if it is a fighting pokemon the original ones were like hitmon lee hitmon chan like jackie chan and and bruce lee so is this like kick van damme or something i don't know

01:19:52.91
Linz
mm-hmm

01:19:57.50
Linz
Kick Van Damme. No, it's Cinderace.

01:20:02.61
Christopher Santos
cinderace hmm hmm

01:20:04.05
Linz
Cinderace, yeah.

01:20:09.55
Linz
Right, I got some actual, like, I think the next ones are, like, really well named.

01:20:16.56
Christopher Santos
Okay.

01:20:17.55
Linz
So they go together, but I'm going to send you this one first.

01:20:23.70
Linz
So cute.

01:20:25.06
Christopher Santos
Oh. Okay, taking headphones out.

01:20:29.21
Linz
Tandermouse.

01:20:31.50
Christopher Santos
Headphones back in. Okay, they're cute. a I like those as Pokemon design.

01:20:37.01
Linz
How cute are they?

01:20:38.16
Christopher Santos
Are they, is it like something twin themed? Like are they called like Gemma Rabbos? Rabbani or something? No, not Rabbai.

01:20:46.60
Linz
Rabbi! Imagine you had to name all the Pokemon after like preachers and sex toys. Ha ha ha ha ha!

01:20:55.19
Christopher Santos
i'm all I'm all out of preachers. so We're going to go. I have to go up to sex noise.

01:21:00.63
Christopher Santos
but Bad dragon, is it? I don't know what this one's called.

01:21:04.07
Linz
Bad dragon.

01:21:04.78
Christopher Santos
Don't Google that

01:21:07.56
Linz
I'm going to Google it.

01:21:08.97
Christopher Santos
Oh, Christ.

01:21:10.88
Linz
Okay.

01:21:13.55
Christopher Santos
That's a thing. Is this, are they called like, I don't know, like, was that anywhere near it?

01:21:16.46
Linz
Okay.

01:21:22.43
Linz
Oh, yeah, kind of. It's about being together.

01:21:27.24
Christopher Santos
Twin? Twin? Twin? Twos?

01:21:31.62
Linz
Twin Peaks? Twows.

01:21:33.27
Christopher Santos
Twos?

01:21:33.57
Linz
Twats.

01:21:34.49
Christopher Santos
Twats? Is it, is it? I don't i think I'm losing this one here.

01:21:39.55
Linz
It's Tandermouse.

01:21:41.08
Christopher Santos
Tandermouse. I like that. That's good.

01:21:43.23
Linz
It's so cute, isn't it? And the next one, it gets even cuter.

01:21:46.21
Christopher Santos
Okay.

01:21:47.72
Linz
What do you think this one is?

01:21:50.31
Christopher Santos
Okay. Hold on. I'll take it. Take away your phones out here. Okay.

01:21:54.46
Linz
Mousehold.

01:21:56.89
Christopher Santos
Back in. So Tandermouse Quadramouse.

01:22:00.77
Linz
You gotta describe what we're seeing here.

01:22:02.12
Christopher Santos
Oh, sorry. This is, this is, this is,

01:22:03.21
Linz
Yeah.

01:22:05.86
Linz
So the first one was two mice, like, joined at the tail.

01:22:08.13
Christopher Santos
Yeah, the tail. And this one, i don't are they are they still joined at the table tail? Or have they joined at the tail to two babies? it's just Is this just two Tandramouse?

01:22:15.09
Linz
Yeah.

01:22:18.89
Christopher Santos
Tandramouse to power of two? Or are they Quadramice? Quadramice?

01:22:22.77
Linz
Are you ready for this?

01:22:24.26
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:22:25.43
Linz
Mouse hold. oh Aw, like household.

01:22:29.77
Christopher Santos
Okay, okay.

01:22:29.93
Linz
Mousehold. cute.

01:22:32.46
Christopher Santos
I was like, I was just about to say that is, first I thought you said mouse hole and I was like, what?

01:22:39.30
Linz
Mouseholds. Oh god, you might have to enlarge this one.

01:22:42.61
Christopher Santos
Oh, Jesus. Okay, headphones out.

01:22:48.30
Linz
Wiggle it.

01:22:50.11
Christopher Santos
Okay, so here's my thoughts on this one. So this is kind of worm type thing.

01:22:56.40
Linz
Remind you of anything?

01:22:57.66
Christopher Santos
It reminds me.

01:22:58.20
Linz
not Not anything like... this Doug Trio.

01:22:59.64
Christopher Santos
Right. oh It's kind of a bit like Dugtrio-ish, like in it's in its face. And obviously it's Dugtrio or Diglett.

01:23:10.39
Linz
Okay, a bit like Diglett.

01:23:12.00
Christopher Santos
Yeah, it's a bit like a gangly dinglet. Ganglet? Is it ganglet?

01:23:16.73
Linz
That's what you call it.

01:23:18.41
Christopher Santos
It's a ganglet.

01:23:20.07
Linz
Chris's gangly Diglett.

01:23:24.22
Christopher Santos
Uh... is it that Is that its nose or is that its mouth open in like shock?

01:23:31.45
Linz
I've always wondered. I'm thinking it's a nose, actually.

01:23:34.52
Christopher Santos
Yeah, I think it's a nose.

01:23:37.17
Christopher Santos
Is it Wiglet?

01:23:39.88
Linz
Yes, you know that.

01:23:41.06
Christopher Santos
Fuck off, it's not Wiglet.

01:23:42.82
Linz
It is.

01:23:44.36
Christopher Santos
Oh my God.

01:23:46.38
Linz
You know that already.

01:23:48.27
Christopher Santos
I'm so happy. I did not know that at all.

01:23:50.34
Linz
Wait, where did you come up with the W though?

01:23:53.64
Christopher Santos
white white diglet is it like connected to diglet is it like like a like a like a like a i know they like added extra evolutions in like before and stuff like pichu and things didn't they

01:24:06.34
Linz
I'm not sure. I've never seen it in the game. haven't played it in the game, like, as a on my team, so I'm not really sure. I'm not sure what order they come in. Well, they can't come in original order.

01:24:17.66
Christopher Santos
oh

01:24:19.58
Linz
oh Anyways, next!

01:24:22.76
Christopher Santos
okay wiggle it okay take headphones out

01:24:28.53
Linz
Sinister.

01:24:30.32
Christopher Santos
headphones in this looks like a haunted matchable

01:24:33.54
Linz
yeah

01:24:38.05
Christopher Santos
so i'm gonna go along the lines of something like so it's gonna ghost themed and then like matcha so is it like machacism or like uh oh uh is it machageist machageist

01:24:48.33
Linz
machicism masochism chris what the fuck is what's wrong with you no that would be a way better name it's called sinister

01:25:03.87
Linz
which sucks you're it doesn't even work does it

01:25:03.83
Christopher Santos
uh yeah that doesn't even really i guess we do well i mean cha is is t in in japanese but

01:25:13.02
Linz
It's T, yeah. But sinis-cha. Oh, like, I think it's meant to be like sinister, but sinis-cha.

01:25:18.50
Christopher Santos
yeah s sinister but sinister no we do also like they did used to call t char a long time ago in in like

01:25:19.74
Linz
But it doesn't roll off the tongue.

01:25:26.60
Linz
Well, it it's, yeah, it's called cha where it comes from pretty much everywhere.

01:25:27.30
Christopher Santos
and Yeah, yeah.

01:25:30.16
Linz
So, yeah.

01:25:32.90
Linz
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:34.44
Christopher Santos
Okay, okay.

01:25:35.24
Linz
Yeah. Sinis-cha.

01:25:36.94
Christopher Santos
Matchageist is much better.

01:25:38.95
Linz
Right? It is. guess they didn't come up with that. Alright, the next one. You'll you'll like this one.

01:25:48.15
Christopher Santos
Okay, headphones out.

01:25:50.62
Linz
Love disc.

01:25:52.66
Christopher Santos
And I'm back. Oh, so this looks like a heart, but it also kind looks like a fish. Is it a water Pokemon?

01:26:02.52
Linz
Yeah.

01:26:03.03
Christopher Santos
Okay. i mean, heartfish seems a bit too obvious.

01:26:10.42
Christopher Santos
Hoona?

01:26:11.99
Linz
What?

01:26:13.20
Christopher Santos
Heart tuna? I don't know.

01:26:14.97
Linz
Hoona? That's a so ugly.

01:26:15.76
Christopher Santos
Hoona.

01:26:18.62
Christopher Santos
Go, Hoona.

01:26:20.88
Linz
No, it's even worse.

01:26:21.94
Christopher Santos
Is it Hammond?

01:26:21.07
Linz
That's

01:26:25.19
Christopher Santos
Is a Is it...

01:26:26.09
Linz
so funny. Yours are way better. Hammond.

01:26:28.94
Christopher Santos
Is it... Is it...

01:26:35.02
Linz
But that sounds like a pig.

01:26:36.14
Christopher Santos
Yeah, Hod?

01:26:39.71
Christopher Santos
I don't know. Is it supposed... Is it heart? Is it something to do with hearts?

01:26:42.95
Linz
Yeah, yeah.

01:26:43.91
Christopher Santos
So, like...

01:26:46.56
Christopher Santos
but it doesn't use the word heart.

01:26:48.35
Linz
No.

01:26:49.44
Christopher Santos
Oh God, is it like...

01:26:51.86
Christopher Santos
Trying to think, like atrium fish? I don't know.

01:26:56.77
Linz
You'll not get it

01:26:58.26
Christopher Santos
Atrium, that's what I'm going with.

01:27:01.76
Linz
Love disc.

01:27:03.49
Christopher Santos
love disc that's a shit name sorry that's also definitely a sex toy

01:27:08.61
Linz
It also reminds me of when we were at... and Yeah, exactly. I'm surprised you didn't get that. But it Love Disc reminds me of when we were at, let's say, a flea market that we both know.

01:27:24.24
Christopher Santos
hmm

01:27:24.58
Linz
And there was a man and his wife selling things. And in a box, there was a pile of ripped porn on DVDs that he'd ripped from his own personal collection with the titles written on them.

01:27:40.57
Linz
Remember that?

01:27:41.24
Christopher Santos
Look, what I do in my own time is none of your business.

01:27:45.14
Linz
remember that though that's so fucked up love disc all right you ready for the next one now this one when i first had to catch it in the game i was like they've gone too far what even is this

01:27:46.16
Christopher Santos
I do remember that.

01:27:54.93
Christopher Santos
Yeah, I am ready.

01:28:03.33
Christopher Santos
Oh.

01:28:05.63
Christopher Santos
Okay.

01:28:08.13
Christopher Santos
Headphones out.

01:28:10.16
Christopher Santos
Yes, okay everyone's in, yes, this is I see what we mean gone too far, oh is this is this some kind of it reminds me maybe some kind of like it's got to be inspired by like some kind of Japanese oni like a

01:28:14.96
Linz
Right?

01:28:25.66
Christopher Santos
is it like.

01:28:27.24
Linz
You can catch this in sword as well. I've not evolved it, but it gets more and more unhinged. And it looks, it really looks like somebody I feel like I know, but I can't put my finger on who it is.

01:28:39.76
Christopher Santos
is it is it Is it some kind of vampire thing? Like a vampire demon? is like i

01:28:45.93
Linz
I don't...

01:28:46.66
Christopher Santos
See, I look at this and I really struggle to guess what it is. Like, like a and yeah, an name but like, is it what what is it a fire type?

01:28:50.41
Linz
I think it's like an an imp or something.

01:29:00.61
Linz
i on

01:29:00.52
Christopher Santos
The green on the bottom is really throwing me.

01:29:01.90
Linz
I don't know. i don't remember.

01:29:05.28
Christopher Santos
Is it is equal...

01:29:06.76
Linz
think it's a fairy. Oh, do you know there's fairy in Dark Types?

01:29:12.03
Christopher Santos
I knew about Dark, I didn't know about Fairy, but Clefairy is not a Fairy type, is it?

01:29:14.07
Linz
There's fairy... It wasn't, but maybe it is now.

01:29:20.64
Christopher Santos
Is he, is he, so he looks like a bit of a like a, like and is so is he like emo imp?

01:29:27.41
Linz
Yeah, it doesn't he look like a black metal fan?

01:29:29.62
Christopher Santos
Yeah, emo imp. Go, emo imp, use boredom.

01:29:36.64
Linz
called Morgrem.

01:29:39.06
Christopher Santos
More Krem.

01:29:39.99
Linz
It doesn't even have a Pokemon name.

01:29:42.31
Christopher Santos
No, no, that's a bad one. That's a bad one.

01:29:47.12
Linz
Yeah, it's bad. all right. Next. How many more do we need? I've

01:29:53.20
Christopher Santos
I don't know many you got.

01:29:55.16
Linz
got a few, but it feels like too many.

01:29:56.12
Christopher Santos
should Should we do, should we do three more?

01:29:59.16
Linz
i think so.

01:30:00.18
Christopher Santos
Three more.

01:30:00.69
Linz
So.

01:30:04.15
Linz
Right. Here we go. I think we'll go. this one

01:30:12.73
Christopher Santos
Oh, this one. oh sorry. I'm going to take my headphones out.

01:30:17.18
Linz
Miltank.

01:30:18.80
Christopher Santos
Is this a Gen 2?

01:30:21.32
Linz
I believe so.

01:30:23.12
Christopher Santos
I was going to say, i feel like I've seen it before. The name is escaping me, but I want to say it's called something like Mulk or like, I don't know, like,

01:30:37.64
Christopher Santos
uddery or something was that any yeah was that close with mook or anything is it like a milk based thing pun god

01:30:44.98
Linz
I know where you're going, but it's kind kind of.

01:30:54.62
Christopher Santos
is it like calce calce cow or something

01:30:57.82
Linz
Kelsey Chew.

01:31:01.01
Linz
It's called Miltank.

01:31:02.57
Christopher Santos
Miltag!

01:31:03.92
Linz
Yep.

01:31:04.70
Christopher Santos
that and That's a decent name. That's it and one I remember now.

01:31:10.44
Linz
Alright, you ready for the cuntiest of all the Pokemon?

01:31:13.69
Christopher Santos
Oh, okay.

01:31:16.76
Linz
It's a good thing, Chris.

01:31:19.10
Christopher Santos
Okay, I'm okay taking my earphones out.

01:31:23.51
Linz
LaPunny.

01:31:25.31
Christopher Santos
Headphones in. Okay.

01:31:29.39
Christopher Santos
Nicki Minaj

01:31:33.50
Linz
Unfortunately, I think people sexualize this one, which is disgusting.

01:31:37.24
Christopher Santos
yeah there is definitely some furry community stuff going on with this one is it accidentally I accidentally ordered two tickets in advance and somehow ended up there

01:31:41.65
Linz
Oh my god, I accidentally walked past furry convention and I've never seen them in the wild before. No, honestly, like I saw two people with like the furry heads on and I was like, oh.

01:31:54.29
Linz
No, that's what you've been doing, I think, Chris. If you were a furry, what what creature would you be?

01:32:01.84
Christopher Santos
I have no fucking idea about this subculture.

01:32:03.51
Linz
Oh, shut up, you do.

01:32:05.05
Christopher Santos
This is like one thing that totally passes me by. And like if anyone's out there listening to this and is into it, like cool, you do you. I don't care shit.

01:32:12.22
Linz
You just choose an animal, I think.

01:32:12.22
Christopher Santos
But just choose an animal like

01:32:15.19
Linz
Yeah, to be like your your personality. You just choose like a creature. Like, obviously I'd be a cat.

01:32:20.79
Christopher Santos
great white shark.

01:32:23.46
Linz
Fluffy one. but

01:32:25.60
Christopher Santos
Nope. All scaly and wet.

01:32:29.95
Linz
No, it's got to be fluffy.

01:32:30.30
Christopher Santos
and have a little I'd have a little fountain on on the top so there'd be constant water running down me.

01:32:32.17
Linz
It's got to be furry.

01:32:36.67
Linz
so it's got to be furry. Mm-hmm.

01:32:38.09
Christopher Santos
Furry. i Okay, I suppose it's in the name, isn't it?

01:32:43.10
Linz
I think it has to be.

01:32:43.68
Christopher Santos
What's a furry? What's a furry? I'd be an otter.

01:32:47.31
Linz
Like everything?

01:32:49.77
Christopher Santos
a idea be an order

01:32:54.76
Linz
That's so sexy.

01:32:57.00
Christopher Santos
I get to lie on my back all day and crack open nuts on my belly.

01:33:00.07
Linz
but but

01:33:06.60
Christopher Santos
Anyway, back to this one. is it is it Is it just called like...

01:33:15.76
Christopher Santos
What's that Space Jam rabbit called that everyone sexualizes?

01:33:19.53
Linz
Lola Bunny.

01:33:20.37
Christopher Santos
Oh no. it's it's got to be so It's got to be... Is it called like

01:33:25.52
Christopher Santos
i don't know is it i'm thinking it's electric but it's and it's not i've got no way is it is it just rampant rabbit that would be a great name for a rabbit electric type go on jimmy neal

01:33:28.53
Linz
It's a rampant rabbit.

01:33:34.01
Linz
Shall I put you out of your misery? Jimmy Nail.

01:33:42.19
Christopher Santos
his name jeff

01:33:45.51
Linz
No, it's either Lopunny or Lopunny.

01:33:49.07
Christopher Santos
Oh, OK, so it does that. It's even like Lola Bunny. OK, interesting.

01:33:51.82
Linz
Yeah, it actually is. When you said that, I was like, holy shit, he's on to something.

01:33:55.37
Christopher Santos
Oh, shit. OK, and the final one.

01:33:58.25
Linz
The final one. This is, okay. The last one in my gallery here.

01:34:05.25
Christopher Santos
OK, headphones out.

01:34:07.95
Linz
Fluffy.

01:34:09.65
Christopher Santos
Headphones in. Right. i kind of feel like I know this one.

01:34:13.49
Linz
Right?

01:34:14.03
Christopher Santos
Is this Gen 2 as well?

01:34:16.14
Linz
yes.

01:34:16.29
Christopher Santos
jen Is it like Mareep or something like that? Is it

01:34:21.45
Linz
No, I think that's the blue thing.

01:34:28.14
Christopher Santos
a sheep?

01:34:29.00
Linz
It's cute though, isn't it?

01:34:30.65
Christopher Santos
is it a sheep

01:34:32.32
Linz
Yeah, I think so.

01:34:33.15
Christopher Santos
And is it a water type because it's got that little blue ball on its tail? Or is it just, it would make no sense for a sheep to be a water type.

01:34:40.80
Linz
I'm not sure. Let me have a look.

01:34:44.85
Linz
It's telling me everything, but...

01:34:47.56
Christopher Santos
Is it called like,

01:34:48.90
Linz
Oh, wait, you are under something with my rip. It evolves from it.

01:34:52.52
Christopher Santos
oh, so is it like a barip?

01:34:59.03
Linz
No, but that's better than Marip. I was thinking it's a Mariel or something, right? That blue.

01:35:04.18
Christopher Santos
yeah but there's Yeah, that's Maril.

01:35:05.36
Linz
Yeah, yeah.

01:35:05.54
Christopher Santos
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:35:08.08
Linz
Okay, one more guess.

01:35:09.80
Christopher Santos
So not Maril. It's not Maril. It's not Barip. What about sheep's sake?

01:35:13.94
Linz
And it is electric, by the way.

01:35:15.84
Christopher Santos
Oh, is it Is it

01:35:26.23
Christopher Santos
I don't know. is it sort of The Android's Dream of Electric Sheep.

01:35:31.43
Linz
That's what I was thinking about as well. No, it's called Fluffy.

01:35:36.24
Christopher Santos
Fluffy. So it goes from Mareep to Fluffy.

01:35:37.27
Linz
Yeah.

01:35:39.46
Christopher Santos
Okay.

01:35:39.73
Linz
Yeah. And there you have it.

01:35:43.28
Christopher Santos
Wow.

01:35:43.70
Linz
Chris doesn't know any Pokemon, but he certainly knows a lot of other stuff.

01:35:49.30
Christopher Santos
Wow, okay. Interessant. My little croissant.

01:35:52.93
Linz
Interessant.

01:35:55.83
Christopher Santos
i So I've got a lot to learn.

01:35:57.41
Linz
Yeah, you...

01:35:57.41
Christopher Santos
and I'm also wondering if... Yeah, so some of them some of them are cool, like Milk Tank and some of the other ones on there.

01:36:07.57
Christopher Santos
I've got cool designs, but I feel like the further that we get from...

01:36:08.57
Linz
Emo Goblin?

01:36:13.88
Christopher Santos
from the original designs though, the more, the less Pokemon they become. Yeah.

01:36:22.12
Linz
There's also a lot of rip-offs too. of like You'll start catching them and you'll be like, isn't that just Clefairy?

01:36:23.90
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:36:30.94
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:36:32.09
Linz
Yeah.

01:36:32.15
Christopher Santos
that yeah

01:36:32.41
Linz
But it is there is some good ones though. like I've enjoyed like that spider one. is good Cinderace was good.

01:36:39.77
Christopher Santos
Yeah, I mean, they've got to have new ones. It can't just be the 151 all the time. It's just my main my main point of raging against it is just that the design aesthetic changes so differently between like Gen 1 and really the rest of them, although Gen 2 is the closest.

01:36:44.35
Linz
Yeah.

01:36:55.42
Linz
Yeah, it's jarring, right? I think it's also like just the illustration.

01:36:57.02
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:37:00.31
Linz
It's so smooth and like, I almost remember the originals and like almost like watercolor for some reason.

01:37:06.49
Christopher Santos
Well, I think they were.

01:37:07.80
Linz
Yeah.

01:37:07.83
Christopher Santos
Like the original design sketches are like in like water watercolor.

01:37:12.12
Linz
Yeah, I do remember them, but like, I think that goblin, it's a bit too far for me.

01:37:16.79
Christopher Santos
Yeah, it looks like something out of like... a

01:37:20.19
Christopher Santos
What was that other anime called? It was sort of like a... Sort of Pokemon-esque.

01:37:27.30
Christopher Santos
A few years ago.

01:37:28.88
Linz
Yeah

01:37:29.52
Christopher Santos
No, no. it didn't It did get released over here, but it wasn't wasn't as big. But it was massive in Japan when I was there. Oh, God.

01:37:41.94
Linz
Yeah But like Cinderace really throws me off It's like Dragonball-y And football-y it's It's weird I like Mimikyu That tiger with a fiery loin Is a bit

01:37:42.43
Christopher Santos
can't.

01:37:45.14
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:37:56.44
Linz
Yeah, there's just...

01:37:56.84
Christopher Santos
Yo-Kai Watch. That was it.

01:37:59.76
Linz
I don't think I've seen that.

01:38:00.95
Christopher Santos
Yoko Watch is pretty... The anime, anyway. haven't played it, but the Yoko Watch is quite good, and it's it's actually genuinely quite funny as well.

01:38:08.18
Linz
Alright.

01:38:09.22
Linz
That's cool.

01:38:10.30
Christopher Santos
There's one character... can't remember. No, he's like... He got turned into a dog. He's like an old... Like like a Japanese salaryman that gets turned into a dog. It's pretty funny.

01:38:21.39
Linz
Probably a better life for him.

01:38:22.72
Christopher Santos
Yeah. Gets more respect that way.

01:38:26.34
Linz
Yeah, less alcohol intake.

01:38:27.89
Christopher Santos
Yeah. Yeah.

01:38:28.88
Linz
Gets to sleep at home.

01:38:31.04
Christopher Santos
Yeah, it was pretty cool. It was cool. I enjoyed that, but it it it died off quite quickly.

01:38:33.56
Linz
Alright.

01:38:37.86
Linz
Yeah, well there you have it Chris.

01:38:39.98
Christopher Santos
There we go.

01:38:41.16
Linz
Your Pokemon class before you you jump into Sword.

01:38:46.64
Christopher Santos
Yes, i'm gonna I'm going to like definitely send you a picture of like some of them and be like, what the fuck is this thing?

01:38:52.14
Linz
Please do. You can take screenshots on the... Oh, but how do you send them? But yeah, like take some pics of your your catches and your team. I'll show you my team. I've just kind of started.

01:39:01.81
Linz
So we'll be around a similar...

01:39:03.85
Christopher Santos
on sword as well oh to z or z to a or whatever it is with a two with it with a two was was the two all right okay because it's like archaic or whatever as well isn't it

01:39:05.40
Linz
no, no. no I'm doing a...

01:39:09.56
Linz
Z, A to Z. I don't even remember. But we can we can share teams. Sorry? No, no. just I just don't know which your way around it goes. Pokemon...

01:39:23.56
Linz
Oh, it's Pokemon Legends Zed, eh? Oh, Arceus is great. I think that's my favorite one.

01:39:27.47
Christopher Santos
yeah i think

01:39:29.12
Linz
Sword and Arceus are great.

01:39:31.02
Christopher Santos
I think I'll play that one next because it's it's set in Hokkaido as well.

01:39:33.04
Linz
You'll like that. You'll really like it. Yeah, it's great. It's like old timey. You go back to the past. It's very fun. I love that one. Yeah, not so great with the French one, but I just like the nostalgia of playing, to be honest, so maybe it'll get better.

01:39:51.18
Christopher Santos
Yeah.

01:39:52.31
Linz
I've just started, so...

01:39:52.24
Christopher Santos
Yeah. know. I just really wish that I had like a bit of a trip to go on or somewhere where I could just be like, oh, okay, like four hours on a plane.

01:39:58.70
Linz
Yeah, I play it in bed. Yeah, exactly.

01:40:01.68
Christopher Santos
Yeah, me too. but I'm just so tired at night. I'm just like, fall asleep with usually my phone on my face.

01:40:08.16
Linz
yeah Yeah, I try to play like thirty like twenty five thirty minutes at night and it does make me fall asleep. So, yeah. That's kind of when I play it. Otherwise I don't have time.

01:40:20.68
Christopher Santos
Well, I will keep you up to date, but thank you very much, Lins. And we will draw this bonus episode to a close.

01:40:25.48
Linz
Thank you.

01:40:27.40
Christopher Santos
Thank you all for supporting us, and we will see you next time.